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Posted on 08/12/2005 10:38:31 AM PDT by TexKat
SM: What resulted in investigation into beheading/Columbian necktie? Was anyone charged?
TITO: NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE
OH PLEASE! His answer says alot. "Hands off"!! IF he didn't hear about it, wouldn't he want to know about a 'beheading' on his small island.
Dang, I posted the resume but have to go back to google and get the pictures link,,running so fast on google I am not marking.
I went to tickle and couldn't find Lorenzo but his name is Lorenzo de Wever and I found him on a genealogy thing but it had nothing of interest.
1998-2001 Minister of Education and Labour Mary Wever-Lacle
MARGARET WEVER Associated Press
I wish I knew what this said but it is something about Cuba, Castro, investigation and Booshi. Below is link.
.http://www.arubastation.nl/Article4381.phtml
A Smugglers' Paradise
The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. ""Yes, we are involved with that bank"," says Croes. ""We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts"."
Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that "de facto" Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.
According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. ""At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino"," says a croupier. ""In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island"."
http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm
My word,,we posted that article on the very first Nat thread.
And now it is back. I saw a cuntrera at Avianco Air. And the bumbling person who let the Cuntreras,,a big Cosa Nostra family, onto the island is rumored to be Paulus. I doubt that as it was in the late 80's.
Hey Freepers! Interesting day. Did we ever find out which witness is in the psyche ward and how long he/she has been there???
I saw Tito's answers at SM and I agress he skirted the columbian necktie case. He answered mine, but I didn't like the answer. I had hoped that Van Ser Straaten could be questioned in court about this case, but Tito says he can't.
I understand there is a small fire at the landfill that is hampering the slow search. I'm beginning to think that if she was there she isn't anymore.
Anything else going on today??
Havana, June 2 (Prensa Latina) A terrorist’s life is tough. None of this nine to five, have a nice day at the office, dear. Oh no, it really is gruelling.
Take the October 1997 assassination plot against Fidel Castro, when the crew of "La Esperanza" cabin cruiser had to sail 900 miles in one day - no wonder they foundered off Puerto Rico, the poor darlings were obviously exhausted by achieving such a seemingly impossible feat!
They hadn"t even had time to unwrap their fishing gear, let alone use their ammunition, fatigues, night-vision goggles, sophisticated communications gear, tripods and two .50-caliber semi-automatic rifles capable of firing flat-trajectory bullets one mile, before those spoil-sport Coast Guards found them and took them away.
How kind of the Miami Federal Court to let the poor babies off - the Florida justice system understands how difficult things are for such hard-working dedicated cold-blooded killers, especially if they also happen to work for the CIA.
Pesquera, FBI man in charge of the case, understood only too well that terrorists need a break, that just like everyone else, they need to have fun. They even have their very own party games - just ask Luis Posada Carriles.
He"s been playing with the CIA for years, and the CIA gang he was in always had such a blast! Its name was Operation 40, and it had people in it who would later shoot to the top, becoming almost as famous as him. For example, Papa Bush was personally involved in its formation, and he went on to become Director of the CIA, and even President of the US. Playing "Senior Says" was lots of fun, as future Watergate burglars Felipe de Diego, Frank Sturgis, Virgilio Gonzalez, Eugenio Martinez and E. Howard Hunt discovered, not to mention Orlando Bosch, Guillermo Novo Sampol, Ignacio Novo Sampol and the infamous Felix Rodriguez, who not only supervised Bolivian police in capturing and murdering Che Guevara, but who with Pedro Remon was responsible for the first ever assassination of a UN diplomat (Felix Garcia, in 1980), and who later was immortalised as "Max Gomez," running guns to the dope-trading Contras in Nicaragua then testifying about it in 1987 before the Senate Iran-Contra investigators.
This gang did really cool things like trying to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961, and on November 22, 1963, Luis Posada Carriles, Guillermo Novo, Orlando Bosch and Frank Sturgis were all present in Dealey Plaza, the Dallas square where John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Now, THAT was real blast!
They were at such a loose end when the government disbanded them in 1970 after one of their planes crashed in southern California with kilos of heroin and cocaine aboard. It was nice of President Nixon"s Attorney General, John Mitchell, not to mention the Operation 40 heroes they caught, when a few months later he celebrated the destruction of "a nationwide ring of wholesalers handling about 30 percent of all heroin sales and 70 to 80 percent of all cocaine sales in the United States."
But as they say, the devil finds work for idle hands, and very soon Posada, the Novo brothers, Orlando Bosch, Frank Castro and others were playing "Senior Says" again, forming another gang called CORU, and meeting in the Dominican Republic in June 1976 to plan even bigger and better games. Guillermo and his brother Ignacio are the kind of guys Posada really likes to hang with - Guillermo fired a bazooka across the East River at the United Nations building while Che Guevara was addressing the General Assembly in "64, and Ignacio did the same thing at the Cuba pavilion at the Montreal World"s Fair in "67 - rad! Their new gang went on to do even wilder things, like plant a car-bomb (generously paid for by Pinochet"s secret police) in broad daylight in Washington, DC, which killed formerly foreign minister of Chile Orlando Letelier and US human rights pioneer Ronnie Moffitt, and a few weeks later they caused the mid-air explosion of a Cuban civilian airliner over Barbados, killing all 73 people on board. They were also implicated in the murders of Chilean General Carlos Prats and his wife Sofia Cuthbert, and hop-scotched all over the continent participating directly in the planning and execution of the thousands of sinister acts of torture, disappearances and murders of Operation Condor, in coordination with the CIA and security services of the Southern Cone military dictatorships of Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, and Argentina, as well as other countries such as Bolivia and Dominican Republic.
What luck that George Bush was by then the director of the CIA and could stonewall the Letelier-Moffitt investigation, or the Novo brothers couldn"t have kept playing - but then dopey Guillermo went and got busted in Miami with a pound of coke and ended up being found guilty of the Letelier-Moffitt terror homicides...but the appeal courts showed they are as understanding of terrorists" needs as the Florida federal court, and overturned his conviction, as well as Ignacio"s for perjury. The brains behind the airliner bombing, Bosch and Posada Carriles, weren"t quite so lucky - they were busted in Venezuela. But that was okay - it meant they got to play even better games!
Musical Chairs was getting a bit exhausting - still dancing to the CIA tune, Posada had switched from his 1961-67 CIA chair to its sister spook seat in Venezuela, first as assistant director of DISP, then director. After a 1974 run-in with the President, Posada lost that chair to CIA classmate, Cuban exile Ricardo Morales (who claimed to have been an FBI tattle-tale at the June "76 CORU gang bang in Santo Domingo), and decided to play "I Spy", opening a private-detective agency in Caracas. With all these party games, he should have known there would be tears before supper, and no time for Monopoly. Sure enough, after two of the gang were nabbed for planting the bomb on that Air Cubana flight, Posada and Bosch were tried and convicted by Venezuelan authorities, receiving life sentences and going directly to jail without passing "Go" or collecting $200.
Despite Cuban extradition requests, and two unsuccessful escape attempts in "82 and "84, he had to play "possum" until bribing his way out of the Venezuelan jail in 1985. (Bosch had to wait until 1987 to be freed, and allowed to enter the US under a Presidential pardon shortly after Papa Bush won the election game, under pressure from Florida Governor Jeb Bush and ambassador for Venezuela Otto Reich, then assistant Secretary of State under Colin Powell…)
And then began one of the longest games of Hide and Sneak in history. Within days Posada popped up in El Salvador alongside gang member Felix Rodriguez, to play a really neat game called "Iran-Contra". They got to play "Who Am I?", changing their names to Ramon Medina and Max Gomez, and to play clever tricks on the US taxpayers by unloading weapons from planes at the Ilopango airstrip then sending them back to the States full of cocaine. Papa Bush by now was Vice President, and still "he" in "Senior Says", which was good because he could make the others in the gang visit Posada every so often to stop him getting too lonely in his hiding place, like Juan Pérez Franco and Rolando Mendoza.
But then came "Show and Tell" in October 1986, when an old dope plane from the fleet of CIA freedom-fighter Barry Seal was blown out the sky over Nicaragua, exposing the Reagan White House and its whole Iran-Contra operation. Forced to play Hopscotch AND Hide and Sneak, he fled to Honduras, and spent the next several years like an obsessive-compulsive flea on speed, hopping between Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Guatemala, back and forwards, hither and thither, plotting and planning numerous unsuccessful assassination attempts against Fidel Castro, seeing many of his best-laid plans foiled by superior Cuban security, but still managing several bomb attacks against Cuban tourist hotels in the 1990"s, killing Italian tourist Fabio de Celmo and injuring eleven more.
Poor old Posada, slobbering and forgotten in the shadows of Central America, missing more than he hits, half his hired hands arrested before they can do any damage, ignored by the media…but wait! He can play Show and Tell too! New York Times, 11-13 July 1998 - finally he gets his 10 seconds of fame, and during the interview conducted in Aruba, claims responsibility for the string of Havana hotel bombings. Now it"s the US authorities" turn to play possum…
Fast forward to November 2000, and the Ibero-American Summit in Panama. Posada was detained together with Gaspar Jimenez, Guillermo Novo, Pedro Remon, Cesar Matamoros, and Jose Hurtado for planning an assassination attempt against Fidel Castro using 33 pounds of C-4 explosives, destined to be blown up at a Panamanian University where Fidel Castro was speaking, threatening thousands of lives.
Posada was still hanging with the gang - old friends Novo from "Operation 40" and the Letelier-Moffitt killings, and Jimenez, who placed bombs in over 30 countries and attacked Cuban diplomatic personnel and business offices abroad, plus convicted gang member Remon, who in February 1986 pleaded guilty to participating in a 1979 bombing at Cuba"s mission to the United Nations and of conspiring to kill the Cuban ambassador, while declassified FBI documents also record his involvement in the assassination of UN diplomat Felix Garcia. Staunch! Lots of time to play Join the Dots and Hangman, with sentences ranging up to eight years.
But surely the gang wouldn"t abandon them now? That"s not cricket…but Jeb and Otto and Colin were still around, and outgoing Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso was partial to a new Mercedes and a new life in Miami, and she waved her magic presidential wand in October 2004, and poooffff! They were pardoned! Jimenez, Remon and Novo were immediately whisked to Miami, whilst US Homeland Security played possum as these convicted international terrorists entered its borders, and Pesquera, now head of the FBI in Florida, just played dumb.
Posada, though, had to play hide and sneak again, flea-ing back to Honduras, then El Salvador, Guatemala and Islas Mujeres, in Mexico, finally arriving in Miami, Florida in March 2005, and like all fleas, irritating the hell out of his host, who due to the international outcry about his presence in US territory, finally had to at least appear to be playing the game, and arrest him for something, anything, just make it look like we"re doing something.
Suddenly it"s not much fun in gangland anymore, everyone"s being mean and demanding they play by the rules. Venezuela"s demanding extradition and there is no good reason to refuse it, but when he tries to play Pin the Tail on the Donkey there are so many goddam donkeys, from Powell to Pesquera, Papa and Brudder Bush, that baby Bush just can"t figure out what to do, besides, they all keep disassembling like those bastards in Gitmo, and he SWEARS he"s not hallucinating.
It"s called endgame, George W - checkmate. The whole world is watching you, and El Salvador"s last-ditch desperate dirty dealings to turn the board upside down will not suffice.
The thousands of victims of Posada Carriles and his gangs, from the passengers on the Cubana airliner to the thousands of disappeared, killed or tortured during Operation Condor, from the tourists and civilians in Cuba to the dead and injured in every other country subjected to the terrorists attacks of this killing machine - they and their families all demand, and deserve, justice in keeping with international law. That means extradition to Venezuela. And the "Conference against Terrorism, for Truth and Justice" will see that they get it.
word for word dutch to english:
Drs. C.A.S.D. Weaver
in the period 1993-1994: plenipotentiary minister of Aruba
distinguished (clamour name)
Candelario (' Booshi ')
detail
geboorteplaats and - date
Aruba, 6 February 1954
party/stroming
partij(en)
M.E.P. (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo)
career
- administrative employee water - and energy company on Aruba, from 1979 up to 1981
- legal employee department legislation and constitutional matter, from 1981 up to 1984
- charged with a study task in the Netherlands, from 1984 up to 1985
- legal employee central office legal and general matter, of June 1986 up to December 1988
- member states of Aruba, from 1989 up to March 1993
- plenipotentiary minister of Aruba, of 2 March 1993 up to September 1994
- member states of Aruba, around 2000
- minister of public health and environment, as from November 2001
cousin functions
previous
- member governing board baseball confederatie of Latin America and
caraïbisch area
delegated commissions
- ondervoorzitter states or Aruba, around 1992
- President fixed commission for foreign affairs and staatkundige
matters and cooperation between the Netherlands Antilles and the
Netherlands states of Aruba
opleiding(en)
academic study and university
- free study direction (international law) catholic university in
nijmegen
- Antillian right (candidates)
family/family
type of household
married
Data have - certainly for what the recent past concerns - especially
relation on the period in which someone was politically and
administratively active. (Motivated) supplements or corrections gladly receive we. You can use for this "reageer-knop".
My head hurts so much from trying to digest all this.
What is "our" current theory? Can somebody give it to me in a nutshell?
Do we know anything FOR SURE?
its my understanding beth had the phone configured for international calls after natalee went missing, so she could call her own number and beth would answer, no matter where she was
re: #232
yes, both those statements were heard
The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.
...In these proceedings they requested a declaration that the State party, the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs and the Interim Head of the Security Service of Aruba had no evidence that the authors were involved in laundering money or in fraudulent actions.
The only thing that we know for sure Howlin is that Natalee is still missing, (I think).
I don't think that anyone truly know which direction to go with.
The only thing that was said today that makes me cling to my original theory is that Beth stated yesterday and today, that this is bigger than Natalee, this is bigger than Joran and the issue that Joran has 9 lawyers which his parents cannot afford, so who is paying the attorney's fees.
At this point that that I thought I knew is so jumbled with the magnitude of rumors and Jossifications I don't know if I am coming or going.
I don't know if these are posted yet... (these came from Natalee's Aunt who was on Greta's show tonight)
For Leads in Natalee's disaapearance email:
investigation_for_natalee@yahoo.com
For Words of Encouragement for Natalee's Family email:
hope_for_natalee@yahoo.com
yep.
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