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1 posted on 08/09/2005 9:09:23 AM PDT by Crackingham
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Oh, I thought this had something to do with FRANCE...


2 posted on 08/09/2005 9:18:45 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Does Clark smoke?


3 posted on 08/09/2005 9:18:56 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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Not only that, but they found nicotine--the same chemical found in cigarettes--in one Mantella baroni frog out of 22 examined. Nicotine is produced by plants and can sometimes be found in animals that eat these plants. But so far no nicotine-producing plants have been found growing in the area where this frog was found. This was the first time researchers observed this phenomena and they are not sure how the chemical enters the frog's system.
The second greatest use of nicotine after cigarettes is insecticides. I'll venture a wild guess that the frog ate insects exposed to insecticides.
4 posted on 08/09/2005 9:19:23 AM PDT by eastsider
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frog ping


5 posted on 08/09/2005 9:21:34 AM PDT by windcliff
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This is Darwinist propaganda. A giant invisible man in the sky created these frogs so that they would eat these ants. Noah put seven frogs and seven ants on the ark (which was hard on the frogs having to eat only one ant during the time they were on board, but ultimately harder on the ants).

Thank God that two ants must have survived and that one was a male and one was a female and that they were able to migrate from Turkey to the same far away place so that His will could be done.


6 posted on 08/09/2005 9:23:50 AM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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good read ..thanks


7 posted on 08/09/2005 9:32:13 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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I have to dissent starting from the first sentence. Scientists haven't "discovered" examples of covergent evolution. They have "constructed" examples of covergent evolution.

I love a story that goes "first this had to happen, then this had to happen, then a final thing had to happen..., etc".

No evidence that it actually happened, of course.

Just a presupposition that because the frogs are there, and evolution is the only allowable explanation for it, then it must have happend by covergent evolution.

Sorry, not convincing.


12 posted on 08/09/2005 9:55:43 AM PDT by News Junkie
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Now, that is a stretch.

And while I see no proof of evolution, I do see proof that God is fantastic, only one fantastic God could design a frog like that.

As for them evolving? Well, show me the in-betweens. Tell me why the first frog to eat poison ants didn't die, and if they didn't die, than how is that these frogs have now evolved? Evolved from what to what, frogs that eat poisonous ants to frogs that eat poisonous ants?

Why is it that those who support evolution keep avoiding the issue of the Bombardier Beetle and the human eye?

13 posted on 08/09/2005 10:08:00 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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The only convincing bit of evolution that I have ever seen was in a paper, years ago, here in Maine called Sound Off. It was a paper full of nothing but letters to the editor. Folks paid 2 cents a word to have their letters printed as they were, not as some editor would have them be.

The one that reminds me and almost swayed me about evolution went like this:

...When I look in the face of my grandchildren I see the face of God, but when I look at and listen to Olympia Snowe, I can see the remnants of pond scum in her eyes and genes. ...

I had never heard of the paper til they printed that letter and the leftist down at 560Am in the morning got a hold of it and demanded an apology from the publisher, who promptly went on their show and told them where to go, how to get there and what to do with the horse when they arrived. That was the time he asked the more liberal of the two extreme left wing wackos and I’ll never forget the quote so I can quote him exactly: “Isn’t there anything about our Republic and our Constitutional Republican form of government that you don’t hate?”

Jake

And you know, when I look at olympai Snowe and Susan Collins, John Baldacci and David R. Hastings da turd I can see that pond scum.

But that is not enough to convnce me that evolution is nothing more than one big lie, not a big bang, but a big lie.

16 posted on 08/09/2005 10:16:40 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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Also, both the frogs in South America and Madagascar evolved to have "don't-eat-me" skin colorings, the final step in a remarkable tale of multi-step convergent evolution.

I really don't think this is as surprising as it seems. After successive generations developed the ability to retain the alkoids in their skin, there simply wasn't any need for camouflage, because whatever picked them up in its mouth would immediately dropped dead, and they would happily hop away to spawn again. This permitted wider variation in colours and skin patterns.

I'm also wondering if the bright colours which do exist or predominate are primarily to attract mates, not to warn predators. It doesn't really make sense to say that they evolved as warning colours, since most of their mammilian predators can't distinguish between them. I wonder if this could be tested either by studying the frequency of particular patterns in male and female members of the same species, or by identifying the genes responsible for transmitting colours and patterns.

40 posted on 08/09/2005 12:56:37 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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Amphibious ping.


41 posted on 08/09/2005 12:57:32 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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First, species of ants high in alkaloids had to evolve on two separate continents.
"The ants had to be there with alkaloids for the frogs to evolve to get alkaloids in their skin," Clark told LiveScience.
Then the frogs had to develop a resistance to the alkaloids--instead of spitting out the ants or passing the alkaloids through their systems, the frogs became able to keep their ant dinners down. Then they evolved to make use of the alkaloids themselves.
Also, both the frogs in South America and Madagascar evolved to have "don't-eat-me" skin colorings, the final step in a remarkable tale of multi-step convergent evolution.

Hilarious scenario. All those frogs eating poisonous ants despite getting sick and possibly dying througout the eons knowing that their sacrifice will make it possible for their ancestors to have poisonous secretions in the future. And not just in one place on earth...but two! Never have so many sacrificed so much for so many.

57 posted on 08/09/2005 7:06:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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I'm curious...Who informed the frogs that the ants were poisonous?


58 posted on 08/09/2005 7:10:58 PM PDT by Reconray
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Excuse me, please.

The headline should read "Convergent Design Found in Poison Frogs"

63 posted on 08/10/2005 4:12:20 AM PDT by bvw
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You know, these Darwin/Creation threads get heated enough without someone like you going out of his way to be a..

Whoa!...and its still early.

And yes, why would an intelligent designer go through such contorted physiological mechanisms like this - why not just give the stupid frog a real weapon? Claws, talons, a 38 revolver?

Funny line.

No one is avoiding them, some just don't listen to the answers.

Point taken. :/

64 posted on 08/10/2005 4:52:09 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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(And here's an odd fact for smokers: one Madagascan frog studied was found to have nicotine in its system!)

I'll bet that tobacco worms do too!

74 posted on 08/10/2005 2:00:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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... they are not sure how the chemical enters the frog's system.

Psst....

Look REALLY close for tiny patches!!

75 posted on 08/10/2005 2:02:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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Covergent Design! Ideas evolve. Systems without souls do not.
92 posted on 08/12/2005 3:36:11 AM PDT by bvw
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Scientists have discovered one of the most intricate examples of convergent evolution with the help of South American "poison" frogs and ants and their cousins in Madagascar. (And here's an odd fact for smokers: one Madagascan frog studied was found to have nicotine in its system!)

Nicotine is very toxic. Tobacco doesn't really have very much.

99 posted on 08/12/2005 12:38:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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"Convergent Evolution Found in Poison Frogs"

The more honest title should have been: "Convergent Evolution HYPOTHESIZED For Poison Frogs"

109 posted on 08/14/2005 2:30:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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