Posted on 08/06/2005 1:44:14 PM PDT by gusopol3
Tapes Said to Reveal Marilyn Monroe's Secrets Ex-Prosecutor Claims Screen Legend Wasn't Suicidal By Steve Gorman, Reuters
LOS ANGELES (Aug. 5) - Marilyn Monroe fretted over a relationship with then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and had a one-night stand with actress Joan Crawford that left her cold.
Monroe also thought sex with former spouse and playwright Arthur Miller was just "so-so" and maintained a deep affection for ex-husband Joe DiMaggio. But she credited her psychiatrist with teaching her how to achieve orgasm.
The Los Angeles Times revealed a few glimpses into Monroe's mind on Friday in excerpts of tape recordings the sex symbol and actress is said to have secretly made for her psychiatrist in the days before she died at the age of 36 in 1962.
The Times said it obtained a written record of the tapes from the only person still alive who claims to have heard them -- former prosecutor John Miner, 86, who says the recordings support his belief Monroe was a victim of foul play.
Miner took "extensive" and "nearly verbatim" notes from the tapes when they were played for him by Monroe's therapist, Dr. Ralph Greenson, now deceased, while Miner was investigating her death.
Monroe's body was found on Aug. 5, 1962, in her Los Angeles home. An autopsy concluded she died of barbiturate poisoning, and the death was ruled a probable suicide.
Conspiracy theories abounded for decades suggesting Monroe was murdered. Prosecutors reexamined the case in 1982 but decided there was insufficient evidence to warrant a new criminal investigation.
Miner told the Times he examined the tapes in a bid to determine Monroe's state of mind and came away believing the recordings showed the actress was anything but suicidal.
According to excerpts, Monroe started off the recording -- a kind of self-analysis through free association -- by thanking her doctor for helping her regain "control of myself, control of my life."
"You are the only person who will ever know the most private, the most secret thoughts of Marilyn Monroe," she says.
She also credits him for helping her unlock the secret to orgasm after years of unsatisfying sex, and goes on to dwell on the shape of her own body, her two famous former husbands, and her feelings toward such fellow stars as Clark Gable and Frank Sinatra, whom she called "a wonderful friend."
At one point, she describes standing naked in front of full-length mirrors to examine her own body -- "My breasts are beginning to sag. ... My waist isn't bad. My ass is what it should be, the best there is. ... OK, Marilyn, you have it all there."
Of her sexual liaison with Joan Crawford, Monroe said, "Next time I saw Crawford, she said she wanted another round. I told her straight-out I didn't much enjoy doing it with a woman. After I turned her down, she became spiteful."
Although Monroe has long been rumored to have had an affair with President John F. Kennedy, the tapes bear no evidence of that, the Times said. They do strongly suggest she and the president's brother, Robert, were involved romantically.
"There is no room in my life for him," she says. "I guess I don't have the courage to face up to it and hurt him. I want someone else to tell him it's over. I tried to get the president to do it, but I couldn't reach him."
Discussing her failed marriage to DiMaggio, Monroe said, "We didn't end our love for each other." She said the baseball great needed a "traditional" wife but there was "no way I could stop being Marilyn Monroe and become someone else."
By contrast, Monroe's marriage to Arthur Miller was "my mistake, not his," she said. "He couldn't give me the attention, warmth and affection I need. It's not in his nature. ... As bed partners, we were so-so."
The Times said Miner was allowed to hear the tapes on condition he never reveal their contents and only broke his promise years after Greenson's death when some Monroe biographers suggested the doctor might be considered a suspect in her death.
Miner could not be immediately reached for comment.
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link is to AOL site, so it may not work for all you smarter people who have moved on.
Miner could not be immediately reached for comment.
Neither could Dr.Greenson...
Wrong, Marilyn.
May NO celebrity ever pass away without the Love of JESUS in their hearts.
Apparently she mentioned a 16-year old kid from Texas that kept harassing her and exercised "more than was healthy".
Joan Crawford, bisexual? How could that possibly have been true?;)))
Yeah, I always loved the Joan/Marilyn make-out scene in Mommy Dearest. It really made the movie, right up there with "wire hangers!"
As it *should be* and, sadly is not. The Taupin lyric of Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is more appropriate than ever: "Even when you died / Oh the press still hounded you"
actually, I only posted it as part of my on-going anti-Kennedy vendetta, especially for young Freepers taken in by the hagiography of JFK and RFK.
I didn't see Jesus on the list of her marriages and affairs...then again, there were a few immigrants living in L.A. at the time. It is possible.
<sigh> They don't make sex goddesses like they used to.
Of all the people she could have picked...Joan Crawford?!?
"But she credited her psychiatrist with teaching her how to achieve orgasm"
I wonder what approach her shrink used.
Its a secret?
Ever since I was 14, I was able to have one without much trouble. Never had to search for some hidden secret to doing it.
How rude
An easy mistake really. The confused Marilyn thought Crawford's eyebrows were mustaches. She thought she was having a Lisbon affair.
a) she was dating RFK at the time and broke up with him not vis-versa...
b)It sounds (to me) like Eunice Murray did the deed... I gleened that from the fact that Ms. Murray gave her nightly enemas and they felt the nembutal was administered via enema since none was found in her stomach and enough to kill you would not have all digested before she died.... and the kicker -- she wanted to FIRE Ms. Murray and has asked Doctor on the tapes to help her get her transferred so she wouldn't have to outright fire her...
We also know Ms. Murray did laundry (Marilyn's sheets) that night around midnight, because she admitted they were off Marilyn's bed... could have been getting rid of evidence.
you must have access to a more comprehensive summary--did I miss a thread?
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