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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thus far I have not been convinced that Joe Wilson's woman was a covert agent during this time and secondly, that Joe's woman 'originated' the idea for Joe to go and gather intel in 02/02.

Somebody somewhere within 4 months of 9/11/01 is worried about Saddam and yellowcake. Old Moolah Kennedy has been accusing President Bush of plotting the removal of old Saddam from the get go.

The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal. What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?
15 posted on 08/01/2005 2:26:57 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Interesting points.

They certainly have thrown up a wall of smoke and mirrors.


17 posted on 08/01/2005 2:34:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Just mythoughts; Cincinatus' Wife
The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal. What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?

My guess is that many many many people had their fingers in the lucrative pie a.k.a keeping Saddam in power and the oil-for-food money flowing.
32 posted on 08/01/2005 3:20:20 AM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Just mythoughts
Somebody somewhere within 4 months of 9/11/01 is worried about Saddam and yellowcake.

Coincidentally, our old friend Joe Wilson was stationed in Burundi in 1982 when Saddam was obtaining yellowcake from Niger. Burundi also exports yellowcake, did they export it back then to Wilson's buddy Saddam?

55 posted on 08/01/2005 4:08:59 AM PDT by palmer (If you see flies at the entrance to the burrow, the ground hog is probably inside)
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To: Just mythoughts
The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal

From the get-go, the following words (chant) has bothered me enormously.. Cynthia McKinney and her allied buddies.. regarding 9-11 and President Bush: "When did he know". This "chant" has always told me that the chanters KNEW in advance.

105 posted on 08/01/2005 5:25:40 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Just mythoughts
The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal. What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?

That's the million dollar question. The very first time that the program known as "Oil for Food" crossed my research vector? Was immediately after former President Clinton "gave" a huge US oil reserve to some "man" in the US. Research I did on this kept bringing up "Oil for Food" programme. Second, the "bartering" of the O4Food program recipients were primarily France, Russia and Belgium (by the quantities, and not in order of high recipient). What did France and Russia have going on? Building up and creation of weaponry and arsenal. And Joint Space Programs. Who was France trying to sell heavy-duty arsenal to? China. Who got the coal and uranium/plutonium" out of the CA reserves ("desert protection act" (Di-Fi's husband), Via Bill Clinton? China. There have been numerous articles, some very solid over the past 10 years about how the "illegal weapons manufacture, and nukes" proliferation has been moving around the "globe". China, to the Koreas.. to Africa, to Mid-East. Never mentioned is.. the Oil4Food prime recipients.

114 posted on 08/01/2005 5:36:54 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Just mythoughts; All

"The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal. What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?"

It's interesting that you said this. It reminded me of something I read on another thread. Check this out and see what y'all think:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449050/posts

To: wagglebee

now the real truth why they are making a big deal out of Plume.

10 posted on 07/23/2005 10:44:02 AM PDT by dila813
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To: wagglebee
And in further developments


ZIRCONIC / NEBULA

ZIRCONIC is a security channel behind the traditional BYEMAN compartments which reportedly contains stealth satellite programs such as MISTY (AFP-731) and PROWLER. NEBULA is the program name covering work on the general concept and technology of stealthy satellites.

Much debate has developed within Congress in response to the expensive spy satellite program currently being built by the United States. On Wednesday, December 8, Senator John D. Rockefeller (D-W.VA.) broke what had been an intense internal debate by expressing his belief that the program is “totally unjustified and very wasteful and dangerous to national security.” Three Democratic senators-- Carl M. Levin (MI); Richard Durbin (IL); and Ron Wyden (OR)-- joined him in voicing a lack of confidence in the program; and it is reported that some Republican lawmakers also share their concerns.

The spy satellites, which reportedly employ technology similar to that used on the B-2 bomber and the F-117A fighter, are designed to orbit undetected in an attempt to cloak American surveillance of other nations. As a result, countries that draw particular attention, notably Iran and North Korea, will thus be unable to determine when American satellites are overhead. Consequently, they will be unable to plan accordingly, making their developments subject to unquantifiable scrutiny.

Most of the opposition that has surfaced is rooted in the satellite program’s cost, which has reportedly doubled—from $5 billion to $9.5 billion. Critics also claim, however, that the satellite’s capabilities are irrelevant since today most countries that are surreptitiously pursuing illicit weapons are hiding them underground. Nevertheless, the program has survived (despite Senate efforts to terminate it in the last two years) with strong support from Porter Goss, the new CIA chief, and his predecessor, George Tenet.

The satellite, funded under a classified program known as Misty, was first revealed by Jeffrey T. Richelson in his 2001 book “The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology.” Richelson claimed that the first craft was launched on March 1, 1990 from the space shuttle Atlantis.

Senators Rockefeller, Levin, Wyden and Durbin objected to an item in the classified schedule of authorizations that provided for continued funding of a major acquisition program that they believed is unnecessary and the cost of which they believe is unjustified. They believe that the funds for this item should be expended on other intelligence programs that will make a surer and greater contribution to national security. For this reason, which is more fully explained in the classified record of the conference, they have not signed the conference report.

Senator Wyden said "The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has raised concerns about the need and costs of this program for the past 4 years and sought to cancel this program in each of the past 2 years. This has not been a political issue, a Democratic or Republican issue, nor should it be. The members of the Senate committee have supported these efforts in a nonpartisan way with unanimous votes each time. The Senate Intelligence Committee has determined that this program should not be funded based on firm policy judgments. Numerous independent reviews have concluded that the program does not fulfill a major intelligence gap or shortfall, and the original justification for developing this technology has eroded in importance due to the changed practices and capabilities of our adversaries. There are a number of other programs in existence and in development whose capabilities can match those envisioned for this program at far less cost and technological risk. Like almost all other acquisition programs of its size, initial budget estimates have drastically underestimated the true costs of this acquisition and independent cost estimates have shown that this program will exceed its proposed budgets by enormous amounts of money. The Senate Intelligence Committee has also in the past expressed its concern about how this program was to be awarded to the prime contractor. "

15 posted on 07/23/2005 10:48:13 AM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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119 posted on 08/01/2005 5:42:54 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Just mythoughts

going back on my 2k memory here, but i somewhat recall that the release of this 'wilsonian' sophistry coincided closely with the senate intelligence committee memos scandal (yes, there are two "memogates" - this & the slightly more reported senate judicial memogate) that was subsequently not &/or under-reported by MSM. In the intel-scandal, the leftists on that committee led by rockefeller (d-wva) were plotting to use their highly classified take from their committee to undermine Bush administration... even at the cost of lives and increased danger to our troops.

at which point I thought it was certainly a manufactured scandal... created by the dhimms to distract attention from other, more important issues that stood to condemn the seditious behaviour of the dhimmicrats within.


180 posted on 08/01/2005 7:42:26 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Just mythoughts
What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?

Hmmmmm? $$$$$$$

232 posted on 08/01/2005 1:16:33 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Just mythoughts

According to her boss at the CIA she was NOT covert at the time, but let's not confuse them with the facts.


250 posted on 08/01/2005 6:38:42 PM PDT by ladyinred (Here come the judges!)
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To: Just mythoughts
"The supposed 'outing' appears to be nothing more than a manufactured scandal to cover up what appears to be a real scandal. What were 'agents' of the US government, elected, appointed or civil servants doing protecting Saddam/France/UN in the first place?"

Yes, and I sure hope someone is thoroughly studying Joe Wilson's business activities, among other things - his 'consulting' business which he began in 1998 may have benefitted enormously from his prostituting himself on behalf of France, Niger, the UN, the IAEA, and Euro-weenies in general. Wilson has worked tirelessly to advance the cause of Euroweenies who want to sweep Oil-for-Food and all of the financial scandals and improprieties under the rug. Has Wilson received contracts from companies and/or individuals who had a direct financial interest in blocking US actions??? Certainly Wilson has worked to give France, Niger, and Saddam's Iraq a clean bill of health..... has he benefitted in his business/financial dealings from his dishonest public campaign against the Bush administration????
251 posted on 08/01/2005 6:43:27 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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