[stinkypew]

The problem is that no purely rational, irreligious basis for a code of morals exists. At least, not an objective, fixed set of morals. In the absence of religion, only subjective morals are possible; that is, moral relativism.

I'm an agnostic, but I will not shrink from the logical consequences of rejecting religion.

[Sentis]

I see the reality of the situation we live in an increasingly non-religious society if we want to salvage the religious values we have to do what democrats are really good at and reframe the debate. We can't use religion as the frame any longer it doesn't fly any longer.