Posted on 07/30/2005 5:55:36 AM PDT by Uncledave
With Gipper's game plan, Rudy can win it all
July 30, 2005
BY THOMAS ROESER Advertisement
As I write this I know my fellow social conservatives will get mad: There is no one in either political party who would be a more exciting candidate for president than Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City. I'll tell you his story -- the good and the bad -- and I'll tell you how he can solve his problems with you. And me. Incidentally, as you read, keep in mind the contrast with Mayor Daley.
The good and bad about Rudy is contained in a book, The Prince of the City [Encounter: 2005] by Fred Siegel, a hard-bitten teacher at Cooper Union University. The good: Rudy came into office in 1994 a Republican in a Big Apple that was rotten to the core, steeped with bosses, bagmen and racial arsonists, a hostile "combination of liberal consensus and helplessness [that] made serious policy debate seem irrelevant," and quickly brought in a band of brother prosecutors from the U.S. attorney's office. They gave up millions in private law firm salaries for the fun of working and drinking (after hours) with Rudy. Most never left his side until his two terms ran out in 2001.
Giuliani was an eerily compulsive hands-on manager. If you want to understand him, said an associate, remember that as a Yankee fan he's the guy who keeps score and writes down how each out and each run took place. Just as when he read The Godfather he diagrammed how the mob worked, for relaxation he would sketch on a pad how every department worked. He would explain to the public clearly what he wanted to do: cut the size of government, cut taxes to attract jobs "so people can work," consolidate or cut out city departments, introduce competition to delivery of services and work with the governor [Democrat Mario Cuomo] "to get our fair share of revenue."
He insisted on tough police standards, once jumping out of his limo in Times Square to chase a guy he saw grab a woman's purse. He was heedless of civil libertarians. It seemed like he wanted to offend all interest groups and took the heat, forgetting the polls. Crime in 1995 saw 163,428 fewer felonies, with murder dropping 16 percent in 1996. He trumpeted that work is the best social welfare policy, pushing welfare reform, announcing that 23 percent of the welfare recipients in Jersey City were also receiving New York City benefits. He balanced his budget, fought with Al Sharpton against what he called "racial racketeering," and grinned as he took heat from minority communities.
The bad? Giuliani was ego-driven. He got jealous of his police commissioner, who was getting more favorable press than he, fired him and hired another (who was just as tough). Giuliani's personal life fell into tatters: his first marriage annulled, his second wife was a TV anchor who drove him nuts. He spatted with her, kept public company with a divorcee, came down with prostate cancer, married again. His political career was pronounced over. Then came 9/11.
That tragedy redeemed him. When the first plane hit the north tower, Guiliani ran from the Pinnacle Hotel where he was at a breakfast, shouting over his cell phone that command headquarters should move from 7 World Trade Center to Barclay Street a block away. Good thinking: Just as they evacuated, the plane hit the south tower. The debris was so heavy his command center was inundated. With his cell phone deadened, Giuliani's staff thought he was dead as well, but a janitor found him dazed and led him out through a little-known passage in the basement.
Television captured the man at that moment, stumbling down the street in the smoke, his handkerchief to his mouth, directing his city through uncharted territory, ordering all bridges and tunnels shut down. Courage is the most important virtue, said Churchill: It guarantees all others. As Bush retires, he should be supplanted by a man of this valor.
Social conservatives will oppose Giuliani for his pro-abortion views. It's up to Giuliani to help himself with them, and here's how. As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the most permissive abortion law in the country. Rudy, can you hear me? If you want this thing -- this presidency -- you gotta change and mean it. Your marriages we can do nothing about. But your social views have to change. They'll say you're an opportunist, but you have heard that before. You can change. And mean it. We're waiting.
"So if we can't find someone who is perfect, we should go for the worst choice?"
That seems to be the prevailing logic here.
I don't think Rudy can win the primary. But if he did the question would be, who to vote for Hillary or Rudy? Would the south and southwest go for Hillary. I don't think so. Could Rudy pick off one of Connecticut, New Jersey or New York? Maybe. The raced would certainly be interesting.
"Freedom of speech is just fine but when you demand your religious agenda override all else then what you get is the Democrats running this country because you alienate everyone that doesnt share your belief system. Don't be fooled that most American's are Christian they may mouth that they are but they don't agree with what you believe in and your demands that this country return to socially conservative values does nothing but allow democrats to take more control."
First of all, DUmmie, don't try and classify me as something you don't even know me to be. I wonder if you're a Jew hater too? I'm not christian or jewish but I support them. I'm an anti-marxist and understand that propping up these religions is ultimately one of the biggest anti-communist moves that can be done. Why do you think the ACLU makes the ten commandments, school prayer, christmas in public, etc one of their primary goals?
See, knuckle dragging morons like youself can't see the social agenda is part of the problem in this country. You haven't studied Marx and his plans for abolition of the family unit, you haven't studied antonio gramsci and his revision of Marx's plans for the planned destruction of the family unit. What idiots like you don't understand is history....when cultures collapse they give rise to fascist powers. Look at Hitler and the weimar republic.
I have included a few items that the so called "religious right" as you call them fight against, and for good reason. Maybe you can look past your bigotry and hatred for the religious and realize they are fighting a good fight....an anti marxist fight.
Prophetic list from the 1963 congressional record, Communist Goals
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
"This is not a photoshopped production. Rudy actually dressed like this for charity."
So what. I know 10 guys who dressed like that for a Knights of Columbus charity show last year.
Either social conservatives begin to create a foundation for their morals and values based on rational thought rather than religious dogma, or we will loose the debate on social values. It is very simple if your reasons for acting in a moral manner are merely based on your religion you will end up maginalized... repackaging moral values into a secular framework is the only way these conservative socail values will be welcomed into the society as it is now after 40 years of democrat social control.
"Can anyone deny that abortion is absolutely terrorism to the baby??!"
I deny it.
Excellent post! If they don't get that then they are lost.
that is what I am saying.
and I think Rudy would win Ohio and Pennsylvania too, along with POSSIBLY Michigan and New York.
That's your election right there.
and yes I do see a rather strong 3rd party candidate in there, but not strong enough for Rudy to lose the South.
But this is ONLY IF he gets through the primaries, which may be a bit of a stretch.
Then I won't vote for you.
Wow my posts have no hate at all they are realistic and of course you can't see past the blinder of yout irrationality to see that your belief system has been marginalized and that if you base your politics on your religious conveictions you are going to lose it is that simple. You will make the republican party losers because you can't shut your mouth for one election cycle and let stop letting the democrats use your beliefs to scare half the nation into voting for them. I think your the Dummy as you haven't a clue how to actually win and winning is what it is about not screaming about how this or that person doesn't match your religious criteria.
> Sentis: Guliani is our best hope for taking New York as New Yorkers being the egotistical idiots they are will cling to their own above their party loyalty.
> Motzman: But for now, I'd like to see a Rudy/Rice ticket in 08. No-nonsense tough leadership for America. Plus, Rudy would destroy Hillary---real accomplishment vs. well, nothing. A Rudy/Rice combo would have the potential for a landslide victory.
Do you guys think Rudy/Condi would be strong enough to take NY and California? If so...game, set, match.
Yeah..but how many red states will he lose?
Reagan was a conservative, not a tough-on-crime liberal.
yup , yer correct-a-mundo , compared to Allen, Rudy's got WAY too much baggage , but as a bare knuckles politico he'd give Sir Edmund Hillary Clinton a relentless beating
The religous right will vote for whoever the Republicans put up they have no choice other than create a third party which they will not do because they had the perfect oppertunity during the Clinton/Dole election. Offering a socially liberal Republican will energize moderates and independants to vote for the Republicans.
to Hillary?
Maybe New Mexico because of Richardson. May Arkansas is she plays her Husband's roots there.
I think that if it is obvious that Hillary is the RATS candidate, things will come together for whomever is the GOP candidate. Rudy included.
A twice divorced, Italian-Catholic from NYC? Hell that's more than enough to lose half the blue states right there.
I agree, I don't think Rudy is pro-illegal immigration like Reagan
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