[Sentis]

I see the reality of the situation we live in an increasingly non-religious society if we want to salvage the religious values we have to do what democrats are really good at and reframe the debate. We can't use religion as the frame any longer it doesn't fly any longer.

[JCEccles]

It flies where I live.

[stinkypew]

I agree that religion is losing influence, but the logical consequencce of rejecting religion is necessarily moral relativism. If there is no God, then there will be consequences for our worldly actions other than those the state can impose. What "rational" reference point should the state look to in setting the goalposts? Physics? Chemistry?

The irreligious left needs to answer that question. But I doubt most of them have even thought it through. Instead, they've substituted other religions so they can feel as if their life has a purpose.