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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The whole fuel tank fiasco could be solved by a simple call to D.C. asking the President to sign authorization for NASA to return to the old foam formulation. Maybe this time they can get the foam colored white like it's supposed to be.


2 posted on 07/29/2005 1:28:27 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Little Pig

What is preventing this?


4 posted on 07/29/2005 1:30:18 PM PDT by naturalized (Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.)
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To: Little Pig

The white color came from a paint/sealant that was applied on top of the foam. However, that paint weighted about a ton and was withheld to increase shuttle payload.


5 posted on 07/29/2005 1:31:45 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Little Pig
Maybe this time they can get the foam colored white like it's supposed to be.

What made it white in the early missions was paint, which weighed (IIRC) a couple of thousand pounds. They stopped painting the tanks to increase payload capacity. The insulation itself has always been that orange/brown color. Painting the tanks wouldn't prevent foam from breaking off.

7 posted on 07/29/2005 1:35:30 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: KevinDavis
Ping for the Space list.

NFP

8 posted on 07/29/2005 1:35:34 PM PDT by Notforprophet (Democrats have stood their own arguments on their heads so often that they now stand for nothing.)
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To: Little Pig

Maybe this time they can get the foam colored white like it's supposed to be.



My understand is that the white color was paint, and the change to orange was associated with elimiating the paint to save weight, well before the foam material change.


9 posted on 07/29/2005 1:36:47 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Little Pig
I watched the entire Discovery channel return to flight a few weeks ago and I don't recall them mentioning a formulation change for the foam once.
18 posted on 07/29/2005 1:41:50 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Little Pig

Bill Clinton signed an executive order that allowed the military to burn some pretty nasty toxic waste in open pits at area 51 or Groom lake depending on what you want to call it.

No I'm not a conspiracy theorist, if I could remember the number on the order I would show it to you.


22 posted on 07/29/2005 1:44:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Little Pig

Chances are good that the knowledge of how to do the original process has been lost. The formula and how to mix it up and how to spray it on are likely also somewhat dependent on the person making it who is probably gone too.

As for going against the environmental regulations, this would never have needed anything as high as the President. The project manager or director would simply have to be convinced that nothing using "approved" chemicals would meet the engineering requirements. Part of the problem here is they likely did not investigate the original material to know exactly what stress it would have to face, and what margin of safety could be allowed. Thus they made something that worked, may not have understood it fully, and so when they couldn't make it anymore they accepted that the new process would also work. When it did not, they may have tweeked it a little, but since it is also up to the subjective technique of the applier, they probably considered the process to be variable and you get what you get. That is until it turned out to be a killer.


36 posted on 07/29/2005 1:57:40 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Little Pig
... "we made a mistake" in not addressing the area of the external fuel tank where a piece of foam broke off shortly after Discovery's launch on Tuesday.

Let's see... tanks connect to shuttle. Form facing shuttle not tested. Foam at furthest point of tanks tested.. something here smells wrong.BTW, does color of foam really matter?

39 posted on 07/29/2005 2:03:34 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Little Pig

You are Correct, return to the Freon Based foam that worked Excellently. This is not the time to be Environmentally Correct, the Original Foam worked Perfectly because it was and is less brittle.This new stuff they have been trying to make work since 1998 a product of the Clinton/Gore dogma.Lets have it changed back to the original specifications NOW!


55 posted on 07/29/2005 2:32:37 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (Facts don't Bother the Left! GOD BLESS OUR President Bush!)
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To: Little Pig

How would the liberals have reacted?


61 posted on 07/29/2005 6:50:14 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (I urge Roberts to support all sections of the Constitution which uphold abortion)
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