Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11

Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

[stlnative]

I do want to say that I don't know how this plays into the Kalpoe Brothers and PVDS if they are pulled back in.

Based on what we are hearing with these new witnesses, I would think that the brothers can be pulled back in, held and questioned for 8 hours (?) once again. But something new would have to come out while questioning the Kalpoe brothers again for them to pull PVDS back in. It is possible that if they pull the Kalpoe brothers back in LE/FBI may learn more from the brothers about how PVDS fits into all this. If they learn more about PVDS's part in this then they will (hopefully) pull PVDS back in.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Is the pond empty yet?

[penowa]

"Hey but what about the SOPRANOS...let them talk to him..."

My best friend's husband suggested that we get 2 tickets to Aruba, send somebody to invite Mike Tyson to take one of them, get him really ploughed once he's there, wait for him to act up and be arrested, and then hope that he is housed close to Joran. He figures it would be no time at all until J (minus both ears) would be screaming to tell everything he knows. LOL

[TexKat]

I heard the VDS family has a condo at the club and are members.

Okay I agree that the VDS's have membership to the Aruba Racquet Club, but just because it was mentioned or suspected on MSM that the VDSs have a condo in the racquet club area does not make it to be factually true.

It was SAID ALL OVER THE MSM! FGS.

I know that it was mentioned on Catherine Crier and a couple of others. But it was never stated as fact.

As a matter of fact when PI T. J. Ward (person I believe that brought this condo info to the media's attention) was asked how he found out about the condo.

Posted on FR, copied from SM the following"

.....uma puma......live from the tube .....Catherine Crier has TJ Ward on...he says the pond at the time in question, the witness who lives in the ARC says was filled with 1 - 2 inches of water. TJ says it would be very easy to bury a body there. He said there were tools around the subdivision because of the construction going on & they could have easily used them to bury her in the pond. He said he (TJ Ward) received an email from someone saying the VDS has access to a condo near the ARC and drew a map of where it is located. TJ turned this information over to the family (Twitty & Holloways) and they turned it over to the FBI and the ALE. When asked if this condo has been searched, he said he was going back to Aruba Sunday and will be following up on leads....he did not answer the question. (found here:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1452328/reply?c=460

So if what I figure is correct and with T. J. Ward's (keywords = e-mail & map)perhaps that e-mail that T.J. Ward received was from either a member at websleuths or another poster Missing in Aruba

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home , I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this . When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house?

posted by Breezy at 7/27/2005 12:22:00 AM

[bolta_lightnin]

These are the EVP clues I've been collecting about Natalee's location: (FWIW) ; )

JUNE 22, 2005
I_MAY_PICK_A_DANGER_ZONE
ON_ISLE
WAS_ANOTHER
PLACE_THAT'S_FANCY
FATAL
LOOK_UNDER_THE_HOTEL
THEN_LOOK_AT_NATALEE
LOOK_UNDER_THE_HOTEL
TELL_THEM
THE_OLD_ONE_RIGHT_HERE
FIND_OTHERS
YOU_HAVE_NEVER_BEEN_IN_THIS_HOTEL_IN_FLORIDA
(I reckon "Florida" =Palm Beach, Aruba)
THAT_WAS_A_HOUSE
A NORMAL_FACILITY_NEAR_FLORIDA
ONE_OF_'EM_HID_THE_BODY

JUNE 23,2005
HE_WAS_IN_VILLAGE
THEY_WALK_ON_WATER
IT'S_OVERNIGHT
THE_HOTEL_WHITE
PAINTED_WATER
THEY_HAVEN'T SEEN THE NORMAL HOLE
THEY_SAW_THE_HAND_FROZEN

JUNE 24, 2005
NOW_SHE_KNOWS_ICICLE_ON_THE_SHELF
I_KNOW__SEVERAL_BODIES_THERE--

JUNE 27, 2005
INCARNATE_WOMAN_IN_GARAGE
WHY_IS_THERE_A_HOTEL ?
THE_WOMAN_ACTED_DOPEY
A_VICTORIAN_POOL
THE_POOL_AREA_AN_ANGLE
I_FELL_OFF_THE_GATE
WHY_WILL_THEY_NOT_LOOK
TRY_THE_OTHER_ONE
FIND_HOLE
WE_GO_IN_THE_HOLE_WITH_OXYGEN
SEE_LORENZO
I_DIDN'T_TELL_ON_THE_FATHER
ANOTHER_ONE_THAT_ROTTED_IN_THE_HOLE_WITH_NATALEE
NEW_HOLE
WATCH_THE_PEOPLE
KIDNAP_OUR_GIRL_NATALEE
THEY_HOME


JULY 13, 2005 YOU'LL_SEE_THAT_HE'S_TRIED_THE_LOCATION_THAT_WE'RE_NEAR_MISS_CHARLOTTE


JULY 14, 2005
HER_BODY_IS_HIDDEN--
DRIVEWAY_TO_THE_HOTEL_ITS_OLD_TOO
GO_FIND_THE_HILTON

JULY 15, 2005
THE_ALLEY_AT_THE_HILTON-
THERE_IS_A_SECRET_GATEWAY
BEYOND_THE_GATE_IS_OFFICE
THIS_IS_THE_COOLER
THE_LADY_MUST_BE_CHILLY *******THE_KEY_IS_LAID_NEAR_THE_HOTEL_COFFEE
THEY_DO_BUSINESS_HERE


JULY 16, 2005

Clues from Jennifer It's_the_white_house_still_keep_lookin!_she's_isolated_

[RGVTx]

I think the timeline for breaking info was speculation.
Also, the timeline has been slowed down because of the pond taking longer to drain. On Greta last night, she did a bit on the methane detection equipment. It was said that it could take two days to search a football field sized area. They use a grid pattern to conduct the search. The machine takes a series of small pictures to create larger pictures of the area searched. It could take two more days after the pond is emptied before the search of the pond is complete.

I think the plan also includes using the methane detection equipment at other sites, too, such as the landfill. Things just aren't going to move quite as quickly as we'd like.

[the Deejay]

But it was never stated as fact.

What has been stated as fact or proven, in this thing?

I only stated "I heard" about the condo/club thing.

[truthluva]

mark

[Sacajaweau]

No one can be MADE to take a polygraph.

[Sacajaweau]

Methane detection equipment in a landfill?

[the Deejay]

On that house rental site, it does not mention a servant's quarters out the back. I'd think that would be a good thing to mention, in the advert.

It's only another speculation that's where the vds family lived. Granted the paint color's the same, but how do we know? Maybe there are other homes painted the same. Not unusual.

[stlnative]

The house on the rental website that has the pool has been found to be 1X0 Montana (sorry I don't recall the actual addy) and not 19 Montana in which the VDS's lived in.

Freeper elli1 found a front view of the house and it is not the VDS's home. This was posted late wednesday night on the FR Natalee thread. (possibly thread #9?)

[auboy]

Marking point.

[theophilusscribe]

I posted yesterday about a show I had watched about cruise ships. It said no cruise ships are registered in the US. All are registered with other countries. So the claim of Amy Bradley being on a US based cruise ship doesn't make sense to me.

RGVTx, I don't know anything about cruise ships or US law about putting people on the FBI Missing Persons list, so I don't really know what is going on there. Don't crusie ships usually leave from and report back to the same port, though? Maybe it has to do with which port they're based out of?

If you find an answer, please ping me, I would be interested to know.

[Lucy Lake]

FReepmail.

[the Deejay]

Yeah, that figures. You're right.

And I think an important thing would be, if they stated it has servant's quarters. In other words, 2 homes.

It is NOT the same house. vds house is 19 Montana. Not 1X0 Montana.

[stlnative]

yes the VDS home is #19 Montana (I thought I pointed that out in my last post)

[Pepper777]

" But sex trade is nasty business. Particularly when it involves an American, since we are the hallmark of equality of the sexes. The biggest reason I can't let go of this possibility is because of the Amy Bradley story. My theory is that whoever received her may have received Natalee, too. There is an obvious path between Aruba and Curacao that many people are going to great lengths to conceal."

I also continue to hang on to the sex trade theory and therefore the possibility that Natalee may still be alive. The C&C club was also mentioned in connection with the Bradley case. The new Million Dollar reward might be due to the Twitty's belief that Natalee is still alive.

Could Shango actually be CC?? (Charles Croes)

[stopem]

Any news on any of the rulings that were to come down today??

[the Deejay]

Yes, you did point that out.....
it beared repeating....lol