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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11
Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

Posted on 07/29/2005 7:28:13 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway is shown in this undated family photo. (AP Photo/family photo)


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; everyoneschild; greta; joran; kalpoes; keystonekops; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; richwhitepretty; satish; sybil; twitty; womensissue
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To: Froufrou
I am not sure of the veracity of some of the 'witnesses' that Jossy has 'found.' I think he has a bigger interest in keeping the spotlight on than just selling papers and he's adding to the smokescreen, whether or not that is intentional. IMHO.

That's exactly why I think Shango is Jossy. He gets theses vague witnesses, that don't pan out. He is a news man. He must be aware of the internet. Possibly by posting as shango he can direct talk on the net.

1,601 posted on 08/01/2005 8:59:38 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: stlnative

Afternoon! FReepmail . . .


1,602 posted on 08/01/2005 9:03:11 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Rippersnapper

"Possibly by posting as shango he can direct talk on the net." I don't see why he would have a 'different' voice there vs on the internet. And WHY the vague witnesses if not to convince all of his 'sincerity?' What purpose does it serve him to be seen as 'sincere' unless he had something to do with it?


1,603 posted on 08/01/2005 9:13:47 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: stlnative
Here is the post about the two missing guys from the beach. I might have more but this is a start.

2) Two people who were at the Soul Beach and who work at a surfshop in a surfshop somewhere have not reported for work since NH went missing and can't be found. They have looked for them. Seems they just went up in smoke as well.

Two missing men from Soul Beach

1,604 posted on 08/01/2005 9:17:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Froufrou
To seem sincere yet misdirect the investigation. I think there is more going on and being protected than van der sloot and co.

If shango were a man of the cloth, he may as well not even post since he is getting nowhere and helping no one.

1,605 posted on 08/01/2005 9:23:51 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Do I intuit correctly that perhaps you're thinking someone is enjoining Jossy to put out decoys? If so, it makes sense. He would be the one person who knows all that goes on there. Do you think there's some blackmail involved or just a mutual CYA between several people?


1,606 posted on 08/01/2005 9:32:01 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: TexKat; maggief; stlnative; All

SM ( http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1354 ):

EquuSearch; Dog Teams & Searchers Go To the Atlantis

by Red

EquuSearch was notified this morning of a potential place of interest located in the area known as the old Atlantis Hotel. The Atlantis is basically an old run down hotel and abandoned for at least 15 years. Three dog teams searched the many buildings and underground pool areas of the area. Other camera equipment was brought in as well to search the more difficult to get to places. After about two hours of dealing with the dangerous environment, wasps and bats the search only found a plastic bag with a dead animal in it.

More to follow and pictures …


1,607 posted on 08/01/2005 9:37:28 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

missoula wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=996455&page=1
Good Morning America says this about one of the witnesses:


Exclusive: Aruba Witness Speaks to 'GMA'

The witness said he is too scared to be identified, but spoke for the first time exclusively to "GMA" through a friend, Raoul.
"He see the half the body," Raoul said. "And I told you the hair was muddy and the skin was like purple."


1,608 posted on 08/01/2005 9:41:01 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: monkeywrench; TexKat

ping to 1585

If you would like the whole thing, TexKat has it posted . . .


1,609 posted on 08/01/2005 9:44:23 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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IN OTHER NEWS:

Baltimore Orioles slugger Rafael Palmeiro suspended 10 days for violating major league baseball's steroids policy...

FR Thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1454774/posts


1,610 posted on 08/01/2005 9:46:59 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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SM ( http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=632&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=520 ):

msmarple
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies to any who already have seen the below. The Overnight Crew did the witness thing endlessly; very confusing to me because of weekend away from computer and THEN all these %^$#^#$ promblems ... I can't stay (at work now) but noticed ppl still wondering about which witness saw what.
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Witness Roundup (I hope I've got it straight at last - pls advise):

One witness (salvage guy) at the landfill who sees 3 men in a white pickup truck unload a body. There is also a white jeep outside the landfill, behind the fence watching. This occurred Wednesday afternoon June 1. Witness appears to be Aruban. Saw blonde hair, purplish skin. (breast?)

One witness at the HI/Marriot beach (or hotel?) who sees 3 men in a white truck bag a body, load it onto white vehicle, they drove out, turned left towards the lighthouse, turned onto a dirt road, dig a grave, bury the body, toss the shovel. This seems to have been during THE night (early 5/30). This is the witness in the letter Jossy reported; the 3 tried to take a tarp down at HI but couldn’t, then went to the garbage can at the Hyatt, took bags out and wrapped the body. This witness is reported to be a daily beach visitor (bum?); told his story to someone at (Hyatt? Beach Patrol?), who in turn reported it to LE. The wife of the person who reported it to LE wrote to Jossy because apparently no action was taken by LE. Also, the witness has not been seen on beach since.

Two witnesses (gardener & Hyatt employee) see the 3 boys in the car, waiting by the pond, during THE night (early 5/30).

Three? fishermen in boat saw white jeep-like car on beach (fisherman’s hut area?) during THE night (early 5/30).

Then there’s a maid who heard a woman scream. Whekre/Which hotel was this? During THE night (early 5/30)


1,611 posted on 08/01/2005 9:52:53 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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SM ( http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=632&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540 ):

NativeLingo
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:58 pm

They searched the entire property......there was even a special helicopter (with thermal, ultrasound, and scanning capabilities) (from the dutch army, especially flown in for the search). This helicopter was at a distance of no more than 8-10 meters from the roof. I saw it.


1,612 posted on 08/01/2005 9:56:22 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Rippersnapper

"If shango were a man of the cloth, he may as well not even post since he is getting nowhere and helping no one."

I agree. Also, if Shango were a man of the cloth he would know that Daniel is the only one who left the den alive, not David. Shango speaks of the lions and makes this statement below:

From Shango:

Find the music
Only David left the den alive


1,613 posted on 08/01/2005 10:00:54 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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Aug 1, 2005
Search of Aruba Landfill for Missing U.S. Teen Postponed
By Peter Prengaman
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A volunteer group searching for a missing U.S. teenager in Aruba postponed its probe of a landfill Monday because of a lack of heavy equipment, a spokesman said.
Crews with trained dogs have dug through the landfill for the past three days but had to return a bulldozer and a tractor donated by local companies, said Robert Cooke, a spokesman for Texas EquuSearch, which is coordinating the effort.

"We put an ad in local papers asking for equipment donations and hope to start again tomorrow," Cooke said.

The landfill became a point of interest after a witness claimed he saw men dump and cover a blonde-haired female body there two days after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway went missing on the final day of a high school graduation trip.

The witness, an Aruban man, said he was dropping off trash at the time of the incident, EquuSearch director Tim Miller said.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

The latest search of the landfill has yielded no clues into the case.

Holloway's family has offered a US$1 million reward for information leading to Natalee's safe return, and a separate US$100,000 award for information that helps solve the mystery. It was unclear if the witness had been seeking the reward.

Extensive searches by Dutch marines, Aruban police, and thousands of volunteers have found no trace of the Alabama honors student, who vanished on May 30.

No one has been charged in the case and 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect. Six other men were previously held and released.

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBFO4BXUBE.html


1,614 posted on 08/01/2005 10:01:01 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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SM ( http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=632&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=560 ):

Kylie222
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:56 pm

I'm very disappointed by what Dan is doing. I used to check out his site for any extra tidbits he was able to scoop out, but like CTV the family bashing wasn't getting addressed.

SM rolled out the red carpet to me and both of the owners contacted me asking if there was anything they could do to help in the search for Natalee and other missing person cases...whether it was stories, helping to raise donations, etc.

That positive energy and support landed them an online interview w/Tim Miller and a spot on the team to help cover the search since I couldn't be there.

We can use all of the help in this case that we can get and I would have pushed some things Dan's way if he'd bothered to even contact me...he didn't. Apparently its about his ratings and not Natalee. SM was able to find me...why couldn't Dan? I still would have sent things his way provided he put a stop to the bashing of the family posts.

Now we're all getting bashed and he's the ring leader. What a class act.

My apologies to the SM members that are having to deal with the ramifications of this incident. Rest assured that Red & Tom and the great monitors on here are worth their weight in gold. Their heart's are in this and TES is grateful for their help.

Thank you all for your support.

Kylie


1,615 posted on 08/01/2005 10:03:35 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Froufrou
Do you think there's some blackmail involved or just a mutual CYA between several people?

Could be either I guess, though I tend more to a mutual back washing.

1,616 posted on 08/01/2005 10:07:38 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: truthluva

From Shango:

Find the music
Only David left the den alive





Excellent catch!

One question though. Is there any other type of den that David might have escaped? All that comes to mind for me is a 'den of thieves'. Need some assistance here, was there a time when David was instructed to kill his enemis but not to loot them afterwards? But his soldiers did anyway?


1,617 posted on 08/01/2005 10:15:30 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: cajungirl

I agree. And false leads are wasting time hoping the media, Holloways, those watching this case closing, will get discouraged. And, then the impatient screaming - "Is that still in the news?" No one wants to know about corruption until it hits them.


1,618 posted on 08/01/2005 10:20:10 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Rippersnapper
Hey, Rip, you know I always like to help, 1 Samuel 22 David at Adullam and Mizpah

1 David left Gath and escaped to the cave of Adullam. When his brothers and his father's household heard about it, they went down to him there.

2 All those who were in distress or in debt or discontented gathered around him, and he became their leader. About four hundred men were with him.

3 From there David went to Mizpah in Moab and said to the king of Moab, "Would you let my father and mother come and stay with you until I learn what God will do for me?"

4 So he left them with the king of Moab, and they stayed with him as long as David was in the stronghold.

5 But the prophet Gad said to David, "Do not stay in the stronghold. Go into the land of Judah." So David left and went to the forest of Hereth.

1,619 posted on 08/01/2005 10:29:29 AM PDT by Malichi (We All Have To Settle Our Accounts Someday)
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To: theophilusscribe

It's difficult knowing who's playing for which side.


1,620 posted on 08/01/2005 10:31:49 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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