Posted on 07/29/2005 7:28:13 AM PDT by TexKat
Natalee Holloway is shown in this undated family photo. (AP Photo/family photo)
I'm going back to lurking on the Latest Posts board.
Just tired of reading about CISTERNS and getting into unnecessary arguments over the root of the word MOOK .
WHERE'S NATALEE???
TAW
Thanks for the firsthand info.
IMHO, all this talk about a cistern is a red herring.
Informative posts, penowa. Thank you.
Don't worry it will get back Shango when Shango has some new riddle for his fans.
I doubt the VDS's are so stupid to bury a dead body in a cistern in their backyard.
Kudos to stlnative for the comprehensive work she has done, though.
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Well thanks TA!
I don't think anyone, any single poster, thinks she got what was coming to her. None of us would wish such a terrible and horrific fate on anyone. What some of us, however, want is the truth out if for no reason than so other parents may learn from this experience.
TWITTY: She was seen leaving Carlos & Charlie's at approximately 1:30 a.m. Monday morning.
TODD (CNN correspondent): Police and family members tell CNN at least 20 other students were with Holloway at the bar. Police say some of her classmates asked her to leave with them, but she chose to get in a car with three young men, all locals.
A few points.
1. Natalee goes to a foreign country w/o parental guidance.
2. Late at night she and a group of schoolmates leave to go to an unknown place, in parts unknown in a foreign country accompanied by no chaperons or at most by one chaperon (read transcript in link below).
3. When the group is about to leave at approximately 1:00 - 1:30 am, she decides not to go with the group to the hotel, instead she goes with strangers, in a strange land alone, not knowing were her "friends" were taking her. What made her decide not to go with her friends? Was she drunk? Why didn't the other students stop her? Did her friends/students knew something about her behavior that night and considered it normal?
I have also read that, besides being drunk that night she was also on drugs. Why should I believe she wasn't?
I, as a parent, would NOT have sent my daughter in parts unknown alone. This story is also about values we as parent have forgotten to pass along to our children and the disintegration of the nuclear family. This story is also about reminding ourselves never to keep our eyes off our children, to know with whom they associate, where they are at all times, what clothes they're wearing, what trashy music they're listening to, which schools they're attending and what events they're going to. If you're thinking this is a paranoid post, so be it. I'm sure now Beth doesn't think so.
Aired June 3, 2005 - 17:00 ET
I don't think your post is paranoid, I think it is hypocritical. You started posting incoherent statements that made you sound like you were drunk or on drugs. Is that the values you have passed along to your children? Or were you just 'playing games' to get attention? Either way, you have serious issues of your own.
from Fox's At Large Show - Sunday July 31st, 2005
Transcript by stlnative
Jossy Mansur:
The latest information we have in the investigation is that the police are actively looking for a K-Swiss style shoe - size 14 that belongs to Joran van der Sloot.
Now the police have information that he lost either one or both of his shoes that early morning in which Natalee disappeared. That would be the 30th of May.
The witness by the landfill tells us that he was sitting in his car and he saw a white pick-up truck drive in, their were 3 occupants and 2 of them got out. Picked up a trash can plastic bag, the black ones, the big ones and they carried it over to where this whole bunch of other bags and rubble was. Now when they were doing that, he says that some blond hair fell out of the bag because the bag was not properly sealed and that he could see parts of human body and then he saw them dig a little among the rubble that was there already and then place this bag there then covered with some other near by lying bags and then put a small pool, plastic pool that babies swim in or bathe in on top of it and then put some more stuff and then walked away.
He also told us that there was another car outside of the cyclone fence, looking on. The man in that car stepped out, he stood by the fence and looked at the whole proceeding's.
We do believe him because from the beginning he has been reliable with his story and it does fit the description we got from another witness between the Holiday Inn and the Marriott Hotel. The letter that we received is from the wife of the person with whom this guy was on the beach with between the Holiday Inn and Marriott wrote us because she was getting a annoyed that no one was paying attention to the declaration that this man gave to her husband at the hotel.
I will read it for you... The day after Natalee was missing a person called Barbeshe (Bar-Be-she) told a story that the night before he saw 3 people in front of the Holiday Inn with a girl's body. That they tried to take a towel from one the "walks fence's" (really hard to understand him here - sounds like he says "water sports dance or fence") to wrap the body and they could not get it down. Then one of them went to the garbage cans at the Holiday Inn and pulled the bags out and wrapped the body, then put her in the white pick-up and left. They went out and turned left towards the lighthouse and turned off on a dirt road and dug a hole and put her in it and threw out the shovel. He also said he told the police and they sent him on a 4 wheeler to try and find, locate the spot and he had been threatened by these people. This person has been seen on the beach everyday has no longer been seen after this and was known to be there daily.
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Comments by stlnative: Ok we have a guy that gave a statement to a man at the Holiday Inn about what he saw. This guy who gave the statement is no longer around, no one has seen him since he went to the police and was threatened by police (?). Now the wife of the man he told is coming forth to back up her husbands story about what this now missing man told her husband.
Does this ring a bell? - Is the woman the wife of the beheaded man and the missing guy is the one that was seen in Columbia (I think?)
Is the woman = Is this the woman
Bird's Eye View of the Pond (just the link so I help save the bandwidth of the original picture host)
http://thepoliticalteen.net/images/pondlarge.JPG
What I find odd is that this missing guy saw the 3 men in the white pick-up truck bury her, so did he tail them from the Holiday Inn or was he actually one of the 3 men who buried her? Where is he?
Where is this lady's husband?
Was Natalee really dug up along with the black plastic garbage bag from a grave up by the lighthouse and then dumped in the landfill because this one guy saw them bury her on Tuesday up near the lighthouse?
If this was Tuesday where was she or her body after 1:30 am Monday until Tuesday. How did it get to the Holiday Inn?
Did the boys take her back to the Holiday Inn already dead and stash her body some where in the Holiday Inn and did PVDS find out and did he have 3 men or the 3 boys go back and get her from the Holiday Inn?
The boys say they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn but not they have retracted that story. Why would they not stick to that story? If they would have then we would be wondering if these 3 men actually killed her after the 3 boys dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
Then again 3 men in a white pick-up are seen dumping what looks like a body with blond hair in a black plastic garbage bag at the landfill on Wednesday by another witness who was at the landfill.
Who threatened this guy, was it the police or was it the 3 guys who buried her and did they see him that day watching the 3 of them or did police go to the three men and tell the 3 men who it was that saw them bury her up by the lighthouse?
Oops:
The boys say they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn but not they have retracted that story
Correction:
The boys say they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn but NOW they have retracted that story
Then, in that case ........... the muzzle will be removed.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316
"DRUG DEALERS 'WILL KILL TEEN IN ARUBA CASE IF HE TALKS'
By DON GENTILE
Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot is terrified he and his family will be murdered if he confesses all he knows about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway."
If I have this straight: A woman says that her husband says that some guy on the beach says. And since her husband was on the beach with him, why do we need this mystery witness?
Then one of them went to the garbage cans at the Holiday Inn and pulled the bags out and wrapped the body, then put her in the white pick-up and left. They went out and turned left towards the lighthouse and turned off on a dirt road and dug a hole and put her in it and threw out the shovel.
And the guy saw all of this from his vantage point on the beach? At night?
He also said he told the police and they sent him on a 4 wheeler to try and find, locate the spot and he had been threatened by these people.
If 'these people' means 'the police', I can believe that they 'threatened' him. Maybe something along the lines of 'If you come in here with any more bogus stories, your butt is going into the slammer...'
But I'm more inclined to think that this is another 'Jossification' gleaned from Baghdad Bob's vault of unpublished stories.
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