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Canada: Imam warns Ottawa to back off Muslims
Globe and Mail ^ | 07/25/05 | COLIN FREEZE

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:06:10 AM PDT by Pikamax

A controversial Toronto imam warned Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan at a closed-door meeting to stop "terrorizing" Canadian Muslims.

"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders.

The meeting was part of an effort by Ms. McLellan to reach out to Canadian Muslims amid complaints that the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service are engaging in racial profiling.

The minister and her officials have been meeting community leaders to explain they are not targeting Muslims generally, only individuals with possible terrorist links.

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By many accounts, the meetings have been positive and are contributing to a thaw in relations between Muslims and security agents, even if the exchange in May was a little heated.

Mr. Hindy, who has long complained that CSIS is spying on him, his family and his mosque, told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because "our women are the most valuable thing to us" and "for a Muslim, honour is more important than his life," Mr. Hindy said in a recent interview.

He made the point to the minister. Several people who attended shrugged off the imam's remarks, but some Muslims and government agents later approached Mr. Hindy asking him to explain himself.

"The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes," he said. "But it's for the good of this country.

"And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.' "

While government investigators probing the woman's complaint told Mr. Hindy they have not found evidence of wrongdoing, he isn't giving the spy service the benefit of the doubt.

"We believe CSIS should stop terrorizing us," he says in a flyer he is circulating to mosques. "CSIS is powerless. CSIS has no authority over you. If CSIS agents come to your door, do not open [it] for them."

Toronto's Coalition of Muslim Organizations arranged the meeting, and said about 100 Muslim leaders attended. While COMO president Adam Esse noted that, "some people, when they talk, they get a little heated," he said the ministerial visit was "a sign of respect" and was worthwhile overall. "If you talk, you remove a lot of misconceptions, a lot of misunderstandings."

A spokesman for Ms. McLellan agreed. "We feel it was constructive, positive," Alex Swann said.

Even Mr. Hindy said that despite his differences with security agencies "the Deputy Prime Minister, she was very understanding."

In the wake of the London bombings, Ms. McLellan has said that Canadians must become "psychologically prepared" for such an attack.

She has also suggested such strikes are not related to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, in which Britain is a strong partner. Mr. Hindy believes the war in Iraq has caused young Muslims to want to fight against the United States and Britain. "I always say the No. 1 recruiter of al-Qaeda is George W. Bush," he said.

The imam said six or seven young men have approached him to discuss "fighting overseas" in place such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

He said he told them "people fighting in Iraq, they don't need more people."

Instead, Canadian Muslims can wage non-violent jihads (holy struggles) at home. "You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them.


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KEYWORDS: canuckistan; dhimmitude; jihadincanada; trop
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To: Pikamax
... told Ms. McLellan that a young Muslim woman complained to him she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers... "our women are the most valuable thing to us

"And if she is touched again, we will just have to kill her" said the minister from the Religion of Peace

/sarcasm

41 posted on 07/25/2005 1:45:30 PM PDT by jaj_dad
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To: Pikamax

Instead, Canadian Muslims can wage non-violent jihads (holy struggles) at home. "You have a very good chance to serve Islam here," he said he told them.


How long will "non-violent" last?


42 posted on 07/25/2005 2:01:09 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Pikamax

This is somewhat the same as what mobsters such as Al Capone did to get people to do what he wanted, extortion.


43 posted on 07/25/2005 2:09:07 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Pikamax

Canada better stop harshing their Moslems or they might just wake up one day to find Hudson Bay blown up by a suicide belt bomber.


44 posted on 07/25/2005 2:12:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: Pikamax
If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control...

If this statement had been said by the government to him he'd be screaming bloody murder. These people are nothing more than thugs.

45 posted on 07/25/2005 2:25:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Mister Baredog
You don't know the half of it. Liberals are cowards and will fold like cards now. It is not any business of the Moslem organizations how CSIS does its work. Could you imagine if the Jewish Congress told the Deputy PM how to do her job?

The Canadian public have chosen serfdom by giving a mandate to a government that picked their wallets and then lied about it.

The problem for the socialists who have taken this nation hostage is that their allies, the Islamo Fascists have plans for them once their domination of Canada is complete.

The question for me is when I leave this sinking ship?
46 posted on 07/25/2005 10:29:19 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Steve_Seattle
Yeah, some Canadian called into a radio show and actually claimed that Timothy McVeighs and Abortion Doctor killers are as much a threat of terrorism to Canada as Islamic Fundamentalism.

Right Wing is a label applied to anyone who genuinely cares about International Justice.
47 posted on 07/25/2005 10:31:40 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: McGavin999
Toronto is like New York, but even more liberal. Chalk full of illegal immigrants and welfare statists who think productive Canadians owe them a hyperdermic needle.
48 posted on 07/25/2005 10:33:29 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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what are they gonna do if they don't back off?? blow people up??
49 posted on 07/25/2005 10:35:29 PM PDT by Cougar66 (If Sonny had EZ Pass, "The Godfather" would have been a completely different movie)
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To: Pikamax

Ah, Canada is about to get hit with the Cancer of Islam and will be forced to cut it out.


50 posted on 07/25/2005 10:38:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Pikamax

As we all know here, Anne Mclellan, by even talking to these people and even hinting that there may be Canadian fault for looking at potential muslim terrorists, has shown weakness that will be exploited by the muslims even further. The PC liberanos are extremely sensitive to appearing politically correct at all times. Muslim, particularly Arab, culture revolves around an in-your-face attitude about everything, regardless of who's to blame. If you give in, they will use that attitude to walk all over you. If you stand up to them with a show of strength and authority, most will back down or will retailiate with physical violence. Canadian political correctness has no response except capitulation to the perceived offended muslim. The muslims have found the one western government that they can exploit like no other. Canada is willingly, but unknowingly, accepting dhimmitude. The muslims know this and will push from every direction for greater concessions until they run the place.


51 posted on 07/26/2005 8:19:54 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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52 posted on 07/26/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a y pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Pikamax

The response to this, I should think, would be as follows:

"You have just made a terrorist threat. I am placing you under arrest."


53 posted on 07/26/2005 12:32:26 PM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: nygoose

Wow.


54 posted on 07/26/2005 12:42:38 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Pikamax
"...open the telephone directory."
My advice exactly. The way to start IS that simple. Even the stupid Muslims are TELLING you that you'll get the terrorists by looking in the phone book! What else do you need? Open book- copy Muslim names- start driving.
55 posted on 07/26/2005 12:43:04 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: txflake

What chutzpah, eh?


56 posted on 07/26/2005 12:43:38 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Howlin

Dju see this?


57 posted on 07/26/2005 12:46:54 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Pikamax
Where do these people come off making demands and threats to the very governments that let them come into their country. The total arrogance of these ingrates is enough to support deportation immediately. Suck it up Canadians or just cave like you usually do.
58 posted on 07/26/2005 1:02:22 PM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Pikamax

"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, recalls telling the minister at the May meeting she held in Toronto with dozens of Muslim leaders."

Perhaps we need several legions of "uncontrolled" crusaders to clean up Ottawa's little problem for them.

The arrogance, audacity, duplicity and contempt of these people knows no bounds.

In the past, most immigrants in a Country were content to be accepted, indeed WANTED to be accepted and assimilated.

But the Muslims are different. They come from a society and culture arrrested in the 6th Century yet behave as though their value systems and culture is superior to ours.
What is the last invention to come out Islamic culture which benefitted western society?

Arabic numerals? Sherbert??


59 posted on 07/26/2005 1:09:38 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Pikamax
"If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control," Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre.

Interesting. In case anyone is curious, the name Salaheddin is the Egyptian form of Saladin. You know...the guy who killed or enslaved most of the Christians in the Middle East! These guys aren't even TRYING to hide their intentions anymore!
60 posted on 07/26/2005 1:20:18 PM PDT by Arthalion
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