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U.S. losing scientific edge
Carroll County Times (Maryland) ^ | 07-20-2005 | Tom Zirpoli

Posted on 07/20/2005 5:53:47 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze

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As most lefties do, the author seems to be intentionally trying to muddy the difference between stem cell research and the ban on embryonic research. After reading the entire column, I found nowhere any attempt on his part to honestly discuss the topic. His is simply another Chicken Little sighting.

This guy is a "professor" at a private college. Here is his page at the College.

1 posted on 07/20/2005 5:53:48 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The current issue of stem cell research provides yet another clear example of why it is important to keep religion out of politics and public policy.

That's completely beside the point. We're also abandoning entire fields of research that have no religious implications at all.

2 posted on 07/20/2005 6:00:12 PM PDT by Physicist
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U.S. losing scientific edge

I'd have to say this is true in several respects. Apart from government grants, there is very little genuine R&D going on in the U.S. If anything, Japan has taken the lead on that front. That's why they're the ones coming out with all the cutting-edge gadgetry these days instead of us.

Hell, it's been decades since every high-tech inventor realized that if he needed seed money and a dedicated, long-term sponsor, he'd have to go to Japan and forget trying to bring in American businesses that can't see past 90 days on their ledgers.

3 posted on 07/20/2005 6:00:16 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, today's deviants will be tomorrow's oppressed minority.)
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We're also abandoning entire fields of research that have no religious implications at all.

You got that right, FRiend.

4 posted on 07/20/2005 6:01:17 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, today's deviants will be tomorrow's oppressed minority.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Bush's fault.


5 posted on 07/20/2005 6:02:02 PM PDT by Hadean
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Clinton/Gore gave China their missile and missile guidance technology so they can nuke us all, so it wasn't ALL President Bush's fault at all.


6 posted on 07/20/2005 6:03:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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There is a hell of a lot of private research going on in this area in the U.S. The 'government' doesn't have to pay for it. End of story.

This guy is a moron.


8 posted on 07/20/2005 6:04:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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I'm not upset that we are "falling behind" in research that involves killing unborn babies. Besides, science can't save your soul.


9 posted on 07/20/2005 6:06:05 PM PDT by Now_is_The_Time (They hate us because we're better.)
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My guess is spending on research doesn't buy as many votes as spending on other programs. It's a shame because past government spending on research seems to have been an excellent investment.


10 posted on 07/20/2005 6:08:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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"There is a hell of a lot of private research going on in this area in the U.S. The 'government' doesn't have to pay for it. End of story."

You are correct. I make my living doing R&D in the private sector and our budgets are increasing.

In the area of stem cell research, if there is potential, private enterprise should and will lead the way. It is often a tremendous waste of money to have the NIH or NSF give out countless millions of dollars to academic researchers who are only trying to get their latest research proposal funded.

I second the motion that the author is a moron.

11 posted on 07/20/2005 6:17:50 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Willing to compromise...NOT)
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The guy does have a point in that we are exporting educations and valuable jobs to other countries without considering the domestic effects. You can't get a job in IT in America anymore without being seated next to Sanjay, Sana, and Mohammed.

This is not a judgement on them. I just personally wish companies would export those jobs to places like Harlem and Downtown Detriot. If companies couldn't outsource or bring foreigners in to do these jobs, they would be forced to educate Americans.

And if you think we couldn't educate every child in Harlem to work in high tech, then there is a word for people like you.

BITS

12 posted on 07/20/2005 6:17:52 PM PDT by Believe_In_The_Singularity ("American" Hmm. That's got a nice ring to it.)
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In other words, Abortion = Life.


13 posted on 07/20/2005 6:18:57 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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Hah! These theocratic Americans would not appreciate the pioneering research work done by Germany's own Dr. Josef Mengele!
14 posted on 07/20/2005 6:46:01 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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With federal subsidized embryonic stem cell research (N), the US will lose its scientific edge (U), and before you know it, the stem cell reearch centers will get a technological edge(T), and start producing smarters weapons than we do (T), the US will cease to be a superpower(E), the baton will be passed to European Economic Union (R).

N=U=T=T=E=R

15 posted on 07/20/2005 6:58:34 PM PDT by Torie
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"...and the ban on embryonic research."

The Bush administration has not banned research on embryonic stem cells. What has been "banned" is the use of taxpayer money to fund that research.

16 posted on 07/20/2005 7:05:22 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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More hyperbole to distort the truth.

The US, private and public, spends more on stem cell research, including embryonic than any country in the world. California voted in Nov. 2004 to create a $3 billion state taxpayer-funded institute for stem cell research, the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine. Providing $300 million a year, the institute is claimed to be the world's largest single backer of research in stem cells, and could potentially increase substantially the pace of embryonic stem cell research.

Several states, in some cases wary of a national migration of biotech researchers to California, have shown interest in providing their own funding support of embryonic and adult stem cell research. These states include Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Florida, Texas (*)(*), Illinois, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Washington, and New Hampshire.

Here's some news from Catholic blog thefactis.org: despite complaints to the contrary, U.S. spending on embryonic stem cell research is the highest in the world. The figures come from a 20-page report London's Financial Times published earlier this month. Here's how we fare: our private funding is $200 million, while the federal government provides $24 million. In the U.K., both private and public funding is $100 million, and in South Korea - where scientists recently used a human clone to make a stem cell line - the figure is $60 million. In addition, there are more U.S. stem cell lines to work from - 46 in total, compared to runner-up South Korea with 29.

17 posted on 07/20/2005 7:17:54 PM PDT by kabar
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Just how important is stem cell research from a medical standpoint? Is it going to cure everything? Don't we have other priorities?


18 posted on 07/20/2005 7:24:33 PM PDT by virgil
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Just how important is stem cell research from a medical standpoint? Is it going to cure everything? Don't we have other priorities?

I'm not talking about stem cell research. I never mentioned stem cell research. I didn't even allude to stem cell research.

So, if I may be so bold, what the bloody HELL are you talking about?

19 posted on 07/20/2005 7:28:48 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, today's deviants will be tomorrow's oppressed minority.)
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I've been hearing crap this since I was 12 years old in '57 and Sputnik was launched.

We needed more science teachers and engineers. By the late 60's, when I had a perfectly good paying job as an O1, my friends who'd gone into teaching and engineering were all looking for jobs.

Our system is so competitive and efficient that it can flood any market. Jobs included.


20 posted on 07/20/2005 7:29:39 PM PDT by x1stcav (Hooahh!)
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