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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
"I think maybe we should call in the Israeli Moosad and let them interrogate JVDS/PVDS/Kalpukes/Croes. We would have answers in a short time, no deposit and no return. "

To continue on the interrogation theme, I read recently after the London bombings, that Egypt uses the drug that is given before one has surgery to get information out of people (I don't remember the name, started with a "P" I think) Apparently your brain wakes up out of this state one section at a time making you helpless and will therefore, answer anything truthfully. Aruba could use some of it for sure.

Unfortunately this case was already cold when they arrested the 3 liars and has gone downhill from there.

701 posted on 07/20/2005 2:10:10 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Jack erased my tagline, need a new one!! :))
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To: sarasota
I must really be out of it because I though this guy said the hair was not only two-toned but 6 inches long.

I heard him say 6 inches also.

702 posted on 07/20/2005 2:11:55 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Yaelle; TexKat; All
As far as I can tell, the layered voice analysis is a computer program that is used to detect certain stress indicators are are present when a person is lying. Here is a link to the investigator's site...let me know what you think.

click here for "vanalysis.com"

704 posted on 07/20/2005 2:12:16 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("I did not say that...I am not here.")
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To: WestCoastGal
Unfortunately this case was already cold when they arrested the 3 liars and has gone downhill from there.

Exactly.

And it's never going to be sorted out to the Holloways/Twittys satisfaction or anyone else's.

B/c it was an ice cold case when LE turned the liars loose in the beginning.

705 posted on 07/20/2005 2:14:43 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Palladin
I agree with you about Greta. It took a while but she turned me around and has totally earned my respect. I like what she is trying to do.

And people who ONLY want politics on the news are a little one-sided. My opinion of stories like these is that the world is now our Town Square. Beth is One of Us, could be any of us. Or Natalee could be any of us at 18. We DO care about our fellow humans and we crave justice. We follow the story because we care about real individuals in trouble.

706 posted on 07/20/2005 2:24:07 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ken5050

Thanks for the head's up. I really want to see justice served for poor Chandra and her family. I am guessing DISH will have that at 6:30 here so I need to TIVO.


707 posted on 07/20/2005 2:25:43 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: BunnySlippers

Thanks, Bunny! I will go read it.


708 posted on 07/20/2005 2:29:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Am I the only one who thinks this hair has passed a preliminary test in Aruba?? I know I jokingly posted last night that Gil Grissom will do a microscope hair check for a visual similarity before they even get to DNA (and possibly even be able to find on the perp's head the other half of the hair strand from the crime scene), but let's face it, why would these hairs be garnering all this testing unless they at least pass muster under a scope compared to the hairbrush hairs??


709 posted on 07/20/2005 2:34:12 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Dark Skies
It seems they only test for falsehoods. Fascinating. I want to go work for them.

However, we all know that any calls made by Natalee while she was in stress that night are forbidden, probably by the Holloways/Twittys' lawyers, to be discussed publicly, so I am assuming that they had those tapes analyzed professionally too. The question is, would Aruban law even allow into evidence such expert witnesses who say that "this voice belongs to Natalee" and "This background garble has the exact sound patterns as Joran van der Sloot's voice"?

This case makes me really rethink staying in other countries unless you know their legal system. I know Mexico's and I am not going there.

710 posted on 07/20/2005 2:44:25 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Can you get DNA from skidmarks? Need an expert opinion here. Where's Doc Baden?


711 posted on 07/20/2005 2:56:53 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: MAWG

Yes. Mucoid secretions of the colon/rectum. As easily as from saliva.


712 posted on 07/20/2005 3:06:49 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: MAWG
Can you get DNA from skidmarks?

I think you are going to wish you hadn't asked but the answer to your question is "sometimes."

As you probably know, a biological cell is needed for DNA typing and the body excretes thousands of cells from the walls of the intestines in fecal matter. The problem is separating these cells from the, er, contaminants and of course finding the human cells among all the other, er, material present.

I am sure a real expert could tell you more, but I stayed at the Aruba Holiday Inn Express last night and feel that qualifies me to give you a layman's POV on this matter.

713 posted on 07/20/2005 3:09:25 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("I did not say that...I am not here.")
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To: Yaelle

Once Greta left CNN and went to FOX, she straightened out! Course I NEVER watched her on CNN :)


714 posted on 07/20/2005 3:13:10 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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715 posted on 07/20/2005 3:27:36 PM PDT by KylaStarr
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To: bonfire

Greta did standups for (I think) CNN during the William Kennedy-Smith rape trial. At the time she weighed at least double what she does now. By the time OJ rolled around she had become healthy.


716 posted on 07/20/2005 3:35:38 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Where is Natalee?


717 posted on 07/20/2005 3:50:44 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: Yaelle

I'm gonna tape it also...I'd rather watch the ballgames tonight..let me know what you think if you have a chance..regards


718 posted on 07/20/2005 3:56:28 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Beth is right.


719 posted on 07/20/2005 4:09:17 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: MAWG

ARUBA SUCKS !


720 posted on 07/20/2005 4:09:43 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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