If Rove Wasn't Initial Source of Leak, Who Was? [LATimes laments]

LATimes ^ | July 17, 2005 | By Doyle McManus

[Turbo Pig]

Was he EVER more than the temporary ambassador to Iraq??

Wilson was Aambassador to Gabon; the equivelent of being the Post Master in some hick town that doesn't show up in Rand-McNally. Important job that noone really cares about.

[Montfort]

"So this time round he blew up London rather than Washington. Next time, who knows?"

Many liberals hate Bush more than they love life.

[Cboldt]

And if she pleads the 5th what would that imply?

Pleading the 5th is always done in the context of a specific question. Any implication therefore depends on the question.

In this case, the question is "who is your source for this information?" In that context, in this case, pleading the 5th makes no sense.

[mainepatsfan]

And like the Kamikaze perhaps a few will get through but those that do won't do enough damage to stop the fleet.

[Cboldt]

Information originating from reporters would not belong to the US.

I agree. Just pointing out the thrust of Dean's argument, because very few FR participants read the article and discerned it.

[sirchtruth]

One thing he said was that Rove was not his original source and there may be several....but he was not explicit. So I don't quite understand.

I still get back too, if Plame was not covert and no law was broken WHO cares about sources?

Is the MSM playing this to protect Miller?

[Cboldt]

I really believe the MSM is the way it is today because of Watergate.

I think a number of forces combined to create a more or less monolithic mass media, and that control of the monolith was taken by people with socialist ideals. Not only was the media targeted for control, so was education and religion.

[Montfort]

"I've often wondered what future historians will call the era of the MSM dominance."

Given that most textbooks and mainstream trade history books are written by liberals like Arthur Schlesinger, you can be sure it will be complimentary. The era of "open government."

It looks like the era of leaking government may be skidding to a halt right now. It has just become a lot more dangerous to leak secret information in order to undermine a Republican administration -- a longstanding practice.

[CIB-173RDABN]

If we had any doubt that times have changed, think back to the 1970s when the main stream media brougth down a President.

Back then the MSM was the gatekeeper of most of the information that the American people got. There was no balance.

When the history of these times are written, this story will be a footnote showing how powerless the media has become to create a scandal.

[johnny7]

They all want to be Woodward or Bernstien.

A rich, but insufferable DNC shill or a washed-up, drunken buffoon.

[You Dirty Rats]

There is more strategy in a Kamikaze attack than what the Dem's are employing.

Same strategery, same result, but the 'Rats are completely delusional about the end result.

[TexasCajun]

I read a Washington Post article this morning and not one of YellowCake's 10 documented lies was mentions, can you believe that?

[backhoe]

Many liberals hate Bush more than they love life.

All too true- the problem I have with the Left ( at least the ones you hear about every day ) is that they seem to wish America, and the average Joe or Jane, ill. They simply do not have America's best interests at heart- quite the opposite, or so their utterances lead me to believe.

[generationfixit]

I agree totally. It is well known that he who controls the media also controls the information.

But I think a big reason all MSM's fall for liberalism is it does not take much thought. Maybe a few socialists started the ball rolling but it is just laziness.
Try to find one congruent thought or a value that they stand on as absolute truth that is the basis for all of their other beliefs...you won't find one... because they then have to justify all other positions taken with their core values. That would take a little thinking.
It would also require a passion for thought. They want things handed to them. Hence...a monolithic MSM because they all get the same news feed and try to " out-trumpet" each other to get people to pay attention to the story from them. But it is the same story.

[Edit35]

If Plame was not covert ...

Just saw Isakoff on Fox News Sunday and he claimed, twice, that Plame was indeed undercover covert at the time she was "outed".

I almost spit.

Isakoff is still blaming Rove, claiming that the special prosecutor is not interested in who leaked Plame's name, but rather who possibly leaked Plame's name which was mentioned in a classified briefing book which was on the President's plane that week, July 2003.

In my mind, there is no difference, and this is simply a way for Isakoff (who obviously feels the need to play tit for tat, considering his role in the Lewinsky bj episode) to prove that he also "goes after" republicans with the same vigor as Clinton.

Isakoff and the MSM will do and say anything to keep this story going for another week.

[Cboldt]

But I think a big reason all MSM's fall for liberalism is it does not take much thought. Maybe a few socialists started the ball rolling but it is just laziness.

I think, at bottom, personal laziness is the human weakness exploited to advance socialism. Freebies! To each according to his need!

[sirchtruth]

"If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral," the CIA official said, insisting on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

Here

Whether or not the law is clear, the CIA thought Plame was undercover at the time of the outing...

This is why there is an investigation, the above indicates she WAS covert as far as the CIA was concerned.

[syriacus]

The objective is to keep legs on this story since it is all they have. Mystery, questions and suggestions is their only hope.

They like to include a little Black Magic in their evil potions.

Michael Isikoff was just on FoxNews, spreading lies and innuendo.

The way Isikoff implied that Rove got hold of every document and memo about Plame, you'd think that the laws of physics were suspended in 2003.

[sirchtruth]

Just saw Isakoff on Fox News Sunday and he claimed, twice, that Plame was indeed undercover covert at the time she was "outed".

Isakopff is correct as per this:

Here

[syriacus]

something is rotten here because if the facts reveal Plame was not covert

Michael Isikoff unambiguously answered a direct question and said Plame was covert, on FoxNews this morning.

I think Isikoff, or a close friend of his, must have a horse in this race.