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Whereby we get the name "CHRISTIAN" adoption agency. Not Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim.


2 posted on 07/15/2005 11:31:06 AM PDT by jw777
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Um...Catholics ARE Christians.


4 posted on 07/15/2005 11:32:09 AM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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Oh, so Catholics aren't Christians?


5 posted on 07/15/2005 11:32:13 AM PDT by eddie65
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Catholics are Christians, you lunatic.


6 posted on 07/15/2005 11:32:29 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: jw777
Are you saying that Catholics are not Christian?

If so, I suggest you do some reading up on things.

9 posted on 07/15/2005 11:34:46 AM PDT by B Knotts
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Whereby we get the name "CHRISTIAN" adoption agency. Not Catholic,

Uh, you are kidding right? Every branch of Christianity that exists today as an organized religion traces itself directly back to Catholicism. You are ignorant if you think Catholicism isn't Christianity.

15 posted on 07/15/2005 11:38:39 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Catholics most certainly are Christians. You realize that other denominations broke off from the Catholic Church, right? Was Martin Luther not Christian until the Reformation? I don't understand your position.


19 posted on 07/15/2005 11:39:55 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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That is an ignorant statement.


25 posted on 07/15/2005 11:42:07 AM PDT by tiki
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considering that protestants broke from the catholic church and thus got their name portestants, that is probably one of the dumbest things i have seen somone post on FR. I wonder if this is a troll..
29 posted on 07/15/2005 11:43:10 AM PDT by minus_273
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The Catholic Church started Christianity. How is it not "Christian."


34 posted on 07/15/2005 11:44:03 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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Catholics are Christians.


42 posted on 07/15/2005 11:46:20 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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You started this on purpose, didn't you?


50 posted on 07/15/2005 11:48:39 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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As the Savior, Jesus takes away the sins of the world," the statement says in part. "Jesus is the one in whom we are called to put our hope, our only hope for forgiveness of sin and for reconciliation with God and with one another."

"Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace."

We pray this at every mass. We hear sermons on Christ's death in our place. We believe that our salvation comes through Jesus. "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered died and was buried. On the third day he rose again...."

I have come across so many evangelicals who think we do not know Christ, and why he died, and that he is our salvation! Now they may not hold with confession, or the real presence in the sacraments, or asking saints to intercede for us, but to say we are not Christian... I don't get it.

Mrs VS

83 posted on 07/15/2005 11:59:38 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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Whereby we get the name "CHRISTIAN" adoption agency. Not Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim.

Catholics ARE Christians.

89 posted on 07/15/2005 12:02:13 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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Whereby we get the name "CHRISTIAN" adoption agency. Not Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim.

Used to be that Catholics were the original Christians and the other "Christians" were known as Protestants. Am I to understand that now it is two separate religions ? Are the denominations and the evangelicals two separate religions too ?

102 posted on 07/15/2005 12:07:48 PM PDT by oldbrowser (There is something Jerry Springerish about the democrats.)
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Whereby we get the name "CHRISTIAN" adoption agency. Not Catholic,

People like you are an embarrassment. Go away.

104 posted on 07/15/2005 12:09:25 PM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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Who on earth(or heaven)do you think Catholics believe in?

Time for a little history lesson.


132 posted on 07/15/2005 12:22:23 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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Yeah? And...?

They probably "exclude" Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Science also.

Breaking News. Not.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

157 posted on 07/15/2005 12:38:54 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Wow, you really got treated to buckets and buckets of Roman love for that one, didn't you?

Dan


166 posted on 07/15/2005 12:41:02 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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The last time I looked Catholics were Christians.
176 posted on 07/15/2005 12:46:02 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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I believe that God, by His grace, provided redemption and restoration in Jesus Christ for all who repent and believe. As the Savior, Jesus takes away the sins of the world. Jesus is the one in whom we are called to put our hope, our only hope for forgiveness of sin and for reconciliation with God and with one another.

I believe that in all matters of faith and life, the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the final authority. The Scriptures point us with full reliability to Jesus, God’s Son. The Scriptures tell us that we receive forgiveness of sins by faith in Jesus Christ, and that God provides salvation by grace alone for those who repent and believe.

I believe that forgiveness comes through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God’s Son, who was made flesh, took our place in death, rose from the dead, and is now in glory with the Father interceding and praying for His people.

From www.lcms.org - The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod website

1. The authority of Scripture.

Lutherans believe that Scripture alone has authority to determine doctrine; the Roman Catholic Church gives this authority also to the pope, the church, and certain traditions of the church.

2. The doctrine of justification.

Lutherans believe that a person is saved by God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church, while at times using similar language, still officially holds that faith, in order to save, must be accompanied by (or "infused with") some "work" or "love" active within a Christian.

3. The authority of the pope.

Unlike the Roman Catholic Church, Lutherans do not believe that the office of the papacy as such has any divine authority, or that Christians need to submit to the Pope's authority to be "true" members of the visible church.

4. Differences remain about both the number and the nature of the sacraments.

Lutherans believe that Christ's body and blood are truly present in the Lord's Supper, but they do not believe, with Catholics, that the bread and wine, are permanently "changed into" Christ's body and blood [transubstantiation].

5. Differences remain about the role of Mary and the saints.

Unlike Catholics, Lutherans do not believe it is proper or Scriptural to offer prayers to saints or to view Mary as in any sense a "mediator" between God and human beings.

While Lutherans believe that any doctrinal error has the potential to distort or deny Scripture's teaching regarding salvation, we also believe that anyone (regardless of denominational affiliation) who truly believes in Jesus Christ as Savior will be saved.

Incidentally, the Lutheran Church still officially holds that the Pope is an anti-Christ, which I find quite interesting. Most people when they hear "anti-Christ" think Damien and 666, when in fact it is simply someone or something that leads a person away from Christ; not THE anti-Christ.

Being Lutheran I don't know the ins and outs of Catholicism so I rely on those who are supposed to be educated in such areas to get my information from (one can't know everything). And, in general, have to trust the Lutheran Church to "get it right". It seems to me though, from the above information from the Lutheran Church, that Catholicism doesn't meet the Statement of Faith from the adoption agency. While I agree that Catholics are Christians (even though here in the South we do ask Catholic or Christian?), I also agree that a private agency can use any criteria they want to to screen prospective parents/customers. I think the issue with the agency receiving money from license plates is separate. I do take issue with some Catholics (and yes I've been told this straight from a supposed Catholic's mouth) that I will not be saved because I don't hold to the Catholic beliefs.

193 posted on 07/15/2005 12:58:23 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (Help! Help! I'm being repressed!)
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