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Bias against Southerners misses the mark
Pasco Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | RICHARD COX

Posted on 07/14/2005 6:10:21 AM PDT by robowombat

Bias against Southerners misses the mark By RICHARD COX Published July 11, 2005

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Does prejudice exist in Pasco County, an area with a very diverse population and seemingly very progressive?

I am certain that African-Americans, Hispanics and people from other countries, the poor and homeless, as well as members of certain religious faiths, experience treatment different from the mainstream populace. However, I am a member of a minority who has experienced attitudes and reactions from many individuals who assume that I am intellectually and socially challenged.

A very large percentage of the population of New Port Richey in particular is from the Northeast. I personally like the outspokenness, mince-no-words attitude, the ability to criticize as well as accept criticism without being offended, that seems to represent the culture in which Northerners grew up.

My family members seem to have the disadvantage of being born and living most of our lives in the South, in our case, Tennessee. I grew up in Knoxville, a city that many people seem to associate only with the fanatical behavior of our college football fans, and my wife is from a small city near Chattanooga.

There still seems to be a stereotype that some people associate with Tennesseans. When those individuals heard the distinct accent of my wife, my stepdaughter, and myself, it seemed to conjure up that redneck image one might associate with the humor of Jeff Foxworthy and other Southern comedians. That image is of a culture of ignorant hillbillies (certainly due to inbreeding!), barefoot, living in a shack with no indoor plumbing (but certainly an outhouse in back), having a dog living under the front porch, and owning an overgrown lawn populated with broken-down, dilapidated automobiles. And, yes, we all chew tobacco and sit on the front porch swing playing the banjo. Everyone also flies a Confederate flag and reminisces about the War Between the States.

I first noticed this attitude when my stepdaughter, an honor student, came home from middle school several days in tears because several other students harassed her daily, calling her an ignorant redneck and hillbilly among other derogatory terms. My wife and I have experienced the sudden change in facial expressions from many when they hear our accent. They seem to associate our accent with ignorance, and speak in simpler terms so that we can understand what they are saying. Telephone conversations often produce the same reaction.

I beg to differ. Tennessee is the home of several major universities, four major metropolitan areas with all the drug and gang problems associated with other large cities, and the most visited national park in the United States. Oak Ridge, in the Knoxville area, probably has as high a percentage of residents with doctorate degrees as any city in the United States. Tennessee has a musical heritage equal to none, and it is not exclusively country or bluegrass genres. Many nationally prominent politicians are from my home state, including three former presidents.

Tennessee has produced many famous musicians, actors, scientists and other intellectual and talented natives.

Well, to set the story straight, rural areas of most states have their own populace and dwellings that approach this stereotype.

My wife and I grew up in your average suburban neighborhoods, we both graduated from major universities and had successful professional careers, and, to risk seeming boastful, are probably as intelligent and knowledgeable, if not more so, than the average American. Believe it or not, East Tennessee, the section of the state we are from, fervently supported the Union during the Civil War.

I have noticed in the Pasco Times notices of meetings for various groups from areas of the Northeast and from other countries. Perhaps Southerners in our area should form a similar group. With apologies to an African-American group with a similar title, we could call our group the NAASF, the National Association for the Advancement of Southern Folks, Pasco County Branch. I hope there are enough local Southern residents available to attract to our organization.

--Richard Cox, a retired middle school science teacher and department head, lives in New Port Richey


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: accent; bigotry; dixie; greatname; pasco; tennessee; thesouth
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To: Non-Sequitur

Forget HELL!


701 posted on 07/20/2005 5:26:34 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You are some piece of work.
Hopefully you won't have to experience the humiliation this man went through.


702 posted on 07/20/2005 5:29:51 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Hopefully you won't have to experience the humiliation this man went through.

Well boo freakin' hoo. Let me ask you this. If men like Innes Randolph, who chose to stoke their festering hatred for the North and for the entire history of this country for years after the war in reaction to losing, are worthy of your respect then are men like Robert Lee and Nathan Forrest, who advocated acceptance of the defeat and reunification of the country, worthy of your contempt?

703 posted on 07/20/2005 5:34:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Liberty Valance

704 posted on 07/20/2005 5:38:51 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Liberal sensitivities offend me.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Forget HELL!

At times like this I have to say that Don Henley has it right:

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little (butt)

Get over it
Get over it
All this...(complainin') and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

With apologies to Mr. Henley, I cleaned up the language a bit for 4ConservativeJustices.

705 posted on 07/20/2005 5:40:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: OB1kNOb; TexConfederate1861

Shouldn't that sentiment be 'Virginian by Birth' or "Georgian by Birth' or something like that? What with all y'all placing state over country and all


706 posted on 07/20/2005 5:42:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

You miss the point. Robert E. Lee didn't experience the same degradation that this man went thru. It was a lot easier for him to be noble. (Though he would have been in similar circumstances, due to his nature.) As I said earlier, I don't think he literally hated the Declaration or the Constitution, rather focuses on those as elements of the "Glorious Union" I am reading BETWEEN the lines.

You haven't walked a mile in this man's moccasin's, so you might show just a shred of compassion. His words are insulting, but look at the emotion behind the words.


707 posted on 07/20/2005 5:43:12 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

This coming from a California Peyote-Smoking freak.
(Yea, I like the Eagles too, but face it, they were freaks!)


708 posted on 07/20/2005 5:44:36 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Shouldn't that sentiment be 'Virginian by Birth' or "Georgian by Birth' or something like that? What with all y'all placing state over country and all

I've said nor inferred nothing of the like. That's just how you choose to interpret it. I thank GOD I was born American and I especially thank GOD that he saw fit that I was born and reared in the South. I have a special affinity to the state and regional culture that I live in and personally think that there's not a better place on Earth to live, but I suspect most other folks feel the same way about their particular state/region/culture/heritage. If they don't, then sad for them. Don't ever question my love and patriotism for my nation just because I'm proud of my southern heritage and culture. Thanks.

709 posted on 07/20/2005 6:07:15 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (I am the Keymaster. Are you the Gatekeeper?)
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To: taxed2death
We won't even get into southerners driving in a "blizzard" when they get 3/8ths of an inch of the white stuff on the ground. Us Yankees can't wait to get home and watch the evening news when you clueless southerners get a dusting of snow.

There are few factors that exist here that many other areas don't contend with.

1- Because it's so humid here in the south there's usually a great deal of ice.

2- Because the snow is usually so thin, our cars pack it down early and it forms into ice.

3- Because we don't get a lot of snow, it's not economically feasible to prepare for snow (i.e., plows and salt trucks) like it is done in the areas that get a lot of snow.
710 posted on 07/20/2005 6:18:21 AM PDT by Preachin' (Georgia finally saw the light in 2000.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
This coming from a California Peyote-Smoking freak

But appropriate.

711 posted on 07/20/2005 6:22:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: M. Espinola
Talk about an exemplification of the 'lost cause'. Totally reprehensible & shockingly similar to another crowd fully possessed with only brianwashed, blind hate for the United States.

The same as voiced by numerous yankees including Garrison who stated that the Constitution was 'a covenant with death and an agreement with hell', and that separation from the South was their only recourse.

712 posted on 07/20/2005 6:24:16 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Bump. Kudos sir.


713 posted on 07/20/2005 6:30:15 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Robert E. Lee didn't experience the same degradation that this man went thru.

What degradations did this man go through that Lee did not?

I am reading BETWEEN the lines.

You are offering excuses. I've read interpretations that suggest that Randolph's work was actually a sarcastic exaggeration of southern stalwarts post war, but I also believe that sometimes things mean exactly what they say. And I think that's the case here.

714 posted on 07/20/2005 6:34:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, I disagree, so let's leave it at that.


715 posted on 07/20/2005 6:36:57 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (General Robert E. Lee , an AMERICAN example of honor & courage!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
In short, it all needs to be fixed, before people can talk about "moving on," because the damage and its effects remain with us today.

Bump. Regarding the 14th Amendment and dubious legality of it's ratification, the best analysis of such was made by Utah Chief Justice Albert H. Ellett in Dyett v. Turner 20 Utah 2d 403 (1968).

716 posted on 07/20/2005 6:48:32 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: Preachin'

regarding your reply in post 710... I KNOW!!!1 I KNOW!!!!!
Jeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
You southerners can't take it when someone pokes a little fun at you...
Chill out!
Read the rest of my posts before you flame me...ok?

:)

Have a wonderful day..
FRiend


717 posted on 07/20/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
go argue with klanwatch about where the NATIONAL HQ of the klan-morons is AND with the History Channel.

we have discussed this before.

reference "miles of dead Negroes", go argue with the NY Post of the next day after it HAPPENED.

we KNOW you don't want to admit what RACIST, hateFILLED, arrogant filth the DAMNyankee elitest ARE & have always been, but what i posted is incontrovertible FACT!

free dixie,sw

718 posted on 07/20/2005 8:43:25 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
NOPE. but you really appear to be a MORON, with neither logic/brains/education.

based only on your DUMB-bunny posts, you have nothing but STUPIDITY, prejudice & hate to offer to the forum.

PITY.

free dixie,sw

719 posted on 07/20/2005 8:45:21 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
and YOU are NORMAL, American or otherwise???

i think NOT.

almost everybody on FR thinks you are clueLESS & a DUNCE.

head over to DU & be with the other DU DUMB-bunnies.

720 posted on 07/20/2005 8:48:34 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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