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Bias against Southerners misses the mark
Pasco Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | RICHARD COX

Posted on 07/14/2005 6:10:21 AM PDT by robowombat

Bias against Southerners misses the mark By RICHARD COX Published July 11, 2005

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Does prejudice exist in Pasco County, an area with a very diverse population and seemingly very progressive?

I am certain that African-Americans, Hispanics and people from other countries, the poor and homeless, as well as members of certain religious faiths, experience treatment different from the mainstream populace. However, I am a member of a minority who has experienced attitudes and reactions from many individuals who assume that I am intellectually and socially challenged.

A very large percentage of the population of New Port Richey in particular is from the Northeast. I personally like the outspokenness, mince-no-words attitude, the ability to criticize as well as accept criticism without being offended, that seems to represent the culture in which Northerners grew up.

My family members seem to have the disadvantage of being born and living most of our lives in the South, in our case, Tennessee. I grew up in Knoxville, a city that many people seem to associate only with the fanatical behavior of our college football fans, and my wife is from a small city near Chattanooga.

There still seems to be a stereotype that some people associate with Tennesseans. When those individuals heard the distinct accent of my wife, my stepdaughter, and myself, it seemed to conjure up that redneck image one might associate with the humor of Jeff Foxworthy and other Southern comedians. That image is of a culture of ignorant hillbillies (certainly due to inbreeding!), barefoot, living in a shack with no indoor plumbing (but certainly an outhouse in back), having a dog living under the front porch, and owning an overgrown lawn populated with broken-down, dilapidated automobiles. And, yes, we all chew tobacco and sit on the front porch swing playing the banjo. Everyone also flies a Confederate flag and reminisces about the War Between the States.

I first noticed this attitude when my stepdaughter, an honor student, came home from middle school several days in tears because several other students harassed her daily, calling her an ignorant redneck and hillbilly among other derogatory terms. My wife and I have experienced the sudden change in facial expressions from many when they hear our accent. They seem to associate our accent with ignorance, and speak in simpler terms so that we can understand what they are saying. Telephone conversations often produce the same reaction.

I beg to differ. Tennessee is the home of several major universities, four major metropolitan areas with all the drug and gang problems associated with other large cities, and the most visited national park in the United States. Oak Ridge, in the Knoxville area, probably has as high a percentage of residents with doctorate degrees as any city in the United States. Tennessee has a musical heritage equal to none, and it is not exclusively country or bluegrass genres. Many nationally prominent politicians are from my home state, including three former presidents.

Tennessee has produced many famous musicians, actors, scientists and other intellectual and talented natives.

Well, to set the story straight, rural areas of most states have their own populace and dwellings that approach this stereotype.

My wife and I grew up in your average suburban neighborhoods, we both graduated from major universities and had successful professional careers, and, to risk seeming boastful, are probably as intelligent and knowledgeable, if not more so, than the average American. Believe it or not, East Tennessee, the section of the state we are from, fervently supported the Union during the Civil War.

I have noticed in the Pasco Times notices of meetings for various groups from areas of the Northeast and from other countries. Perhaps Southerners in our area should form a similar group. With apologies to an African-American group with a similar title, we could call our group the NAASF, the National Association for the Advancement of Southern Folks, Pasco County Branch. I hope there are enough local Southern residents available to attract to our organization.

--Richard Cox, a retired middle school science teacher and department head, lives in New Port Richey


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: accent; bigotry; dixie; greatname; pasco; tennessee; thesouth
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To: groanup; Wampus SC

for some reason the link goes to the wrong article. Look for "In Praise of Rednecks" in the left scroll bar.


281 posted on 07/15/2005 1:04:56 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: lentulusgracchus
As a sidenote to your discussion of class, I believe the British scholar (Michael Young) who coined the term "meritocracy" gave it something of an ambivalent gloss. Unfortunately, now many conservatives uncritically embrace "meritocratic" concepts despite the liberal elitist heritage of those concepts.

This may not be the best thread on which to have this discussion, but I am not one of those conservatives who thinks that credentialism or its supporting structures is the last bastion of academic rigor or a properly conceived liberal education.

282 posted on 07/15/2005 1:42:34 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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To: Labyrinthos
Indeed, I challenge anyone to name a big city south of the Mason-Dixon line, with a crime rate lower than NYC.

Nashville, Tennessee.
283 posted on 07/15/2005 2:12:37 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: lentulusgracchus; taxed2death; Labyrinthos; wardaddy

Now, back to the article that started this thread...

Did anyone notice the author's doubly-phallic name Richard (Dick, I presume?) Cox?

LOL! I wonder if his middle name is Peter?


284 posted on 07/15/2005 2:19:00 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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And of course the people who discriminate against Southerners aren't racists. Not at all...


285 posted on 07/15/2005 2:21:16 PM PDT by masamune
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To: robowombat
When those individuals heard the distinct accent of my wife, my stepdaughter, and myself, it seemed to conjure up that redneck image one might associate with the humor of Jeff Foxworthy and other Southern comedians.

Wasn't that "ignorant redneck" Foxworthy actually an accountant?

I grew up in Michigan. Moved down to TX with my spouse (who grew up in TX and TN).

After we moved, I spent about 10 minutes correcting my friends' misconceptions about TX and then I figured, heck, why tell them how great it is? I'd hate to see a great thing ruined!

I miss some things about MI, but added together they can't compensate for the awesome quality of life we have here. The people are amazing -- they treat each other the way they should. Our neighbors were very welcoming, and would give us the shirts off of their backs.

I think the biggest difference between TX & MI is that children are truly seen as blessings and TX is incredibly family-friendly. Also, everyone's just so much happier here.

Texans are the most friendly, honest, laid-back, down-to-earth, smart, no-nonsense, practical, and real people I've ever met. (At least here in the Austin area, and if you discount the insane libs.)
286 posted on 07/15/2005 2:24:39 PM PDT by halieus (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers & ruled alike.)
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To: robowombat
Believe it or not, East Tennessee, the section of the state we are from, fervently supported the Union during the Civil War.

my stepdaughter, an honor student, came home from middle school several days in tears because several other students harassed her daily, calling her an ignorant redneck and hillbilly among other derogatory term

Never too late to change y'all's minds.

287 posted on 07/15/2005 2:26:44 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: halieus

...and if I had to move out of state, I hope it would be to TN!


288 posted on 07/15/2005 2:27:12 PM PDT by halieus (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers & ruled alike.)
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To: halieus

"God bless Texas!"


289 posted on 07/15/2005 2:39:05 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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To: bourbon
One of my best friends from h.s. is a self-proclaimed 'redneck' Taiwanese surgeon, and I went to prom with another Taiwanese girl (whom my parents adored).

My dad has met the chief sales office of a steel mill in Arkansas. I think his name is Bob Murakami. Little short Japanese guy, talks like Tex Ritter. Smart enough to do calculus in his head and one of the best salesman on the planet.
290 posted on 07/15/2005 2:47:22 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: bourbon

too funny....you are too observant


291 posted on 07/15/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (i love my new discounted GMC dually......proud flyoverlander.....bonnie blue out front!)
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To: JamesP81
I like Bob Stokes from the Weather Channel. He's got a great Southern accent.

And, then there's Dat Nguyen the LB from the Cowboys, who sounds like he grew up on the TX Gulf Coast (which he did).

292 posted on 07/15/2005 3:17:45 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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To: wardaddy

I wonder why ole E spin ola never answered me???


293 posted on 07/15/2005 3:21:08 PM PDT by gwhiz
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To: gwhiz

He's found another be smug about folks outside of NYC thread I reckon.


294 posted on 07/15/2005 3:30:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (i love my new discounted GMC dually......proud flyoverlander.....bonnie blue out front!)
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To: Modernman
"That's why you get a lot of Canadians and Midwesterners reading the news all over the country. Flat, indistinguishable accents are the way to go in the news media."

'Indistinguishable accents' is absolutely correct. So the viewers/listeners exclusively pay attention to the news being reported. The broader the 'news' audience the more applicable this unwritten rule is followed.

295 posted on 07/15/2005 4:28:24 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: halieus
" Texans are the most friendly, honest, laid-back, down-to-earth, smart, no-nonsense, practical, and real people I've ever met. (At least here in the Austin area, and if you discount the insane libs.)"

You are right. I've been through Texas a few times and my normal vacation routine is NOT to have a plan...I much prefer to just wing it.

On more than one occasion...I'd pull over in a parking lot somewhere and hop off my bike and bystanders noticing my out of state plate would immediately come up and ask me if I needed assistance. I almost always get a good "vibe" in
Texas.

Texas BTTT.
296 posted on 07/15/2005 4:45:07 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: twstearman

Fortunately for me I was in Bahstun well Hansom Field in my early 20s and unmarried. I did a lot of drinking, saw snow for the first time (Boy were the contractors surprised that I had no idea how to shovel snow and it was still not done by 10am! They bought me a snowblower :) )

Fenway Park was fun in the right field section for students and military cheap rates. I rode my first subway and was glad I escaped most of the taxes there! Since I wasnt politically aware yet (see above about drinking etc) I was blissfully unaware of what dangerous country I was in! Bahstun reminded me in a lot of ways of New Orleans, except for the FRIGGING COLD ASS WINTER!!!!

My kids were lucky enough to be born in Gulfport, MS, elementary school in Warner Robins, GA and then a couple of years in Oklahoma City, now enjoying the Catholic School route in New Orleans. My daughter sounds more southern than I do!


297 posted on 07/15/2005 7:13:25 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: lentulusgracchus

Haha, Texas is, well Texas :) The South doesnt really claim except people on the western side of Louisina who actually think they are Texans! I like to visit Texas though and I am planning a long weekend in Galveston soon. I sure hope that the damn hurricanes calm down soon!


298 posted on 07/15/2005 7:14:55 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: talmand
"It was the War of Northern Aggression."

In addition to the norm, 'The Civil War', maybe the term 'War of Southern Aggression' would be historically appropriate, considering which side really started the American Civil War.

299 posted on 07/15/2005 7:37:16 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Modernman
"Though, I guess if your idea of fine dining is deep-fried roadkill and a six-pack of beer, then NYC doesn't have good food."

They are so upset, and are under the impression N.Y. has absolutely no fine restaurants because refried mosquitoes on grits is never displayed on any menu of the multitude of Manhattan's finest dinning locations.

300 posted on 07/15/2005 7:58:27 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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