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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7
Various News Sources | 7/14/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; deepakkalpoe; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satishkalpoe; vandersloot
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To: No Surrender No Retreat; hummingbird; cajungirl; GarySpFc; gingersnaps; All
I agree...I have always been a chick magnet too. And I seem to attract lint and cats and squirrels...and nuts of the human kind.

Also, when I was young and foolish...I was young and foolish.

I won't say what I do for a living, but it involves sociopaths (and even some people outside my family).

But I will say this...this island, Aruba, creates an environment for hiding the truth. It is well-known as being parasitic. It encourages old and young to bury the truth.

Since truth is the antidote to sociopathology (a dead conscience)...this island promotes sociopathology.

Oh, and the young are the first victims of "the disorder of the dead conscience."

But, hold that thought, the doorbell is ringing and it's probably more chicks (or lint or cats or, God forbid, family).

1,281 posted on 07/16/2005 6:03:04 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Major Friend? Sounds like a big deal. I wonder who.


1,282 posted on 07/16/2005 6:04:18 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

So sweetie, I have a niece, are you single?


1,283 posted on 07/16/2005 6:11:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Dark Skies

Well, since everyone is confessing,,I am a Dude Magnet. They sort of fall all over me, bring me flowers and candy, take me to dinner, give me jewelry.

I am cultured, speak five languages, drive a Benz, red, convertible. I have a PHD in Comparative lit, play the violin in the local symphony and occasionally play my sax in blues bands in New Orleans. My family is really loaded.

And if yall believe that, yall will believe anything.


1,284 posted on 07/16/2005 6:14:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TexKat

It's probably been discussed but I don't remember: if there's a confession, why not a conviction?


1,285 posted on 07/16/2005 6:15:37 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: cajungirl

To answer myself, the Major Friend I will bet is the DEA agent who was at the hotel with the chaperone. He was calling people I bet.

And some right at the beginning thought the divine CC was the kind of man who worked for places with initials if you get my drift.


1,286 posted on 07/16/2005 6:16:33 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
What I say is "cajungirl (yes)
1,287 posted on 07/16/2005 6:17:20 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Dark Skies

Yes you believe I am a Dude magnet? Or yes, the divine CC is an initial kind of worker?


1,288 posted on 07/16/2005 6:21:04 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: sarasota

He retracted the confession {sounds silly to me too} and there is no body.


1,289 posted on 07/16/2005 6:22:04 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Dark Skies

Going to watch the Shield,,back later.

If yall haven't watched the Shield, it is incredible. We got the DVD's and are finishing the third season.


1,290 posted on 07/16/2005 6:22:47 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Hey...I am fit and I shave my head like Vic. And of course there is that chick magnet thing.


1,291 posted on 07/16/2005 6:30:36 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Dark Skies

DS, I bought a bottle of than new Tag deodorant, applied it and went to the mall in Pensacola, Florida. When I walked in the mall women started rushing from all the department stores in pusuit of me.

Luckly I had my cell phone and dialed 911-chick-magnet suppression squad. They arrived in about 10 seconds and saved me from the onslaught.

I am presently hunkering down in my survival bunker hoping to make it through the night. I was thinking of possibly making a movie called, "Chicks at the Gate."

I am presently working on a chick-magnet survival guide for all those magnets coming to a store near all you Freepers.

If the blast doors start to give, I will call in the Mothership to evac my soda cracker ass out of here.

Damn!! being a chick-magnet is synonomous with living on the edge.

So now Ladies&Gentlemen Freepers, this concludes my satire in Freeperland for the evening.

To all a good night and a good night to all.

NSNR (unleashed for a while)


1,292 posted on 07/16/2005 6:49:18 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: cajungirl

I refuse to answer on grounds it may incriminate myself and have my chick-magnet privileges terminated. I am not single, but living Livida Loca. NSNR


1,293 posted on 07/16/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: gingersnaps
Ginger,

I say this with respect, we disagree. You made your arguments at a time when most of us were at a " fever pitch " to FIND Natalee. And, if you think that FR cant have an impact, when is the last time you saw Dan Rather? If the case went to court tomorrow, Joran would walk. I believe that will not ultimately happen. I believe some of the info. I have read here in this case just as I have believed some of the info on some other cases here at FR that ULTMATELY proved to be true in the past. It is easy to attack us. If you are as educated as you say you are, help us, help Beth. I believe the storys about Joran and his bad temper and I belive that he recently killed a dog.Surely a skilled and experienced therapist like yourself understands the significance of this kind of behavior. I suspect that Joran was also a bedwetter past the age of ten years of age. Like his bedwetting, his aggressive behavior,besides being impulsive and immature, is a cry for attention. ............. What say you?

1,294 posted on 07/16/2005 7:03:59 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: cajungirl

I love the sheild. Never miss it.


1,295 posted on 07/16/2005 7:05:16 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Round chambered, hammer cocked, safety on. Good night.


1,296 posted on 07/16/2005 7:06:45 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: MAWG

Concertina wire round the perimeter, trip flares in place and claymores just crying to be unleash on Mohomade. I'll take first watch if you are in agreement.

Later On. NSNR


1,298 posted on 07/16/2005 7:14:40 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: MAWG

Have you and everyone noted how nice I am and I am ignoring suspicious trolls?

I am awaiting my halo.

The Shield is so disturbing to me, we watch an hour every night catching up, that I haven't slept well in ages. I dream about it and worry about it. It is powerful.


1,299 posted on 07/16/2005 7:23:04 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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My words are in red below.

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee. This is important; obviously Natalee's mom was working FORWARD on USA soil from a phone call TO THE US.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail [cell]rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me. This is the heart of the matter right here. THERE WAS A PHONE CALL MADE. From Aruba to the USA, and it was extremely important. This must have been why Beth KNEW Natalee had been KIDNAPPED.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30. AM or PM? I am guessing PM, as the Twittys were about to board the plane or had just arrived in Aruba?

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point. And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him. It is obvious that this phone call had significant info in it. It was not just a garbled message, and most likely it contained Natalee's voice. It most likely also contained some sort of background noise or voice that allowed Beth to be sure that Natalee had been inside the Van der Sloot home, once she herself had been there and heard their voices and background noise.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth? Here there seems to have been a transcript cut. Greta usually asks follow up questions that stream from the previous comment, and no gas station had been mentioned yet.

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just that description?

C. CROES: She had a description of the car and she had a description of one tall Dutch guy. And at that time, she said, with darkish hair.

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next? This also seems a little chopped. The discussion of the phone call, and yet here they were in an Aruban gas station, and listening to the call several times? Most probably, this call was a voice mail message and Beth either had recorded it or was calling the states and playing her voice mail back over and over for Croes. Hung up with the person in the states? That was never mentioned. What person? Whom did they call back in the states? Or did someone in the states play the recorded call over and over for them? Or was this the friend of Croes who also knew the Twittys?

C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

Obviously, we the public would like to know more about these mysterious phone calls, but another question is what effect this obvious piece of evidence has on the Aruban investigation. The last contact of Natalee was not yelling Aruba out Deepak's car window, but some kind of desperate phone call to her home in the states. Doesn't that change anything?

I quoted a lot of extraneous text above just so that I would not be accused of editing the transcript or further confusing y'all. Sorry this had to be so long.

1,300 posted on 07/16/2005 7:25:10 PM PDT by Yaelle
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