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To: Crackingham

There are people right here in the USA who won’t be happy until they can establish a theocracy – and the schools are always a good place to start.


2 posted on 07/09/2005 12:23:56 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

No need, Atheism is already the firmly established religion in public schools.


4 posted on 07/09/2005 12:26:47 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: R. Scott

I think we usually call them Muslems, who are you talking about?


5 posted on 07/09/2005 12:27:34 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: R. Scott
Typical comment from those who aren't willing to accept scrutiny into a flawed pseudo-scientific theory.

I don't want a theocracy - I just want a moral society. Without our God-fearing founding fathers their wouldn't be a USA - but you could have some 4th rate middle eastern Sharia government.

6 posted on 07/09/2005 12:31:56 PM PDT by DesertSapper (I Love God, Family, Country! (and dead terrorists))
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To: R. Scott

What are you talking about?

Believe it or not, there ARE people who don't want evolution to be taught as fact. Sure, shed light on it...but keep in mind that is A THEORY. And a flawed one at that.


7 posted on 07/09/2005 12:36:45 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic (The liberals and the RINOs on the SCOTUS should be impeached.)
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To: R. Scott
I think you're right, but there are also plenty of people who have been trying to convince me--an agnostic--that secularism is not an ideology. Like most fanatics, those who would rub the word "God" from every public place are convinced their way is OF COURSE not some ideology, it's just "the way things should be."

I'm always on the lookout for those who, whatever they say, try to make their particular religion part of our government, but I have to admit I find the most rabid fanatics--the most hateful ones--are on the secularist side, who pretend they're not pushing an ideology.

8 posted on 07/09/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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What happens when most of the evidence used in the trial was proved to be fabricated or scientifically incorrect.... Oooops, that already happened.
9 posted on 07/09/2005 12:38:50 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: R. Scott
1st Evolution, Then comes Biblical Astronomy

http://www.geocentricity.com

Yes, They are for real

10 posted on 07/09/2005 12:44:37 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: R. Scott

"There are people right here in the USA who won’t be happy until they can establish a theocracy –"

A lot of them are prominently here, at FR.

I call them "theocons."


11 posted on 07/09/2005 12:47:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: R. Scott

Too late, atheistic humanism is already the state sponsored religion. And don't claim that doesn't count because its in the same market.


14 posted on 07/09/2005 1:02:02 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: R. Scott
There are people right here in the USA who won’t be happy until they can establish a theocracy – and the schools are always a good place to start.

Why do those who absolutely hate the teachings of the Bible sound so like religious extremists when it comes to being upset at those who will not embrace the theory (it really is a theory and has no more real proof than creation (Intelligent design for the PC folks) of evolution?

I have no problem of our schools talking about evolution as a theory, but they should also discus creation just as seriously.

What I really get disgusted with is those who have closed minds trying to dis those who disagree with them as closed minded. When scientists put on blindres, they only see what they want to see and miss the other 359 degree panorama.

16 posted on 07/09/2005 1:06:11 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: R. Scott
"There are people right here in the USA who won’t be happy until they can establish a theocracy

The Framers of our founding documents set up our government according to the principles of the Biblical Worldview to ensure that that can never happen.

If the origional intent of the Constitution they drew up is upheld and defended against those who want to illigitimately call it a "living document", it will be impossible for any tyrannical mentality on the extreme right or the extreme left to obtain absolute power and control to impose his personal conscience on the rest of us.

The founders of the United States of America believed that all men were created with equal authority. Thus they declared the following principle as the foundation of their political union. They said:

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

The founders also believed that this concept of equal authority was taught in the Bible. They used Sir Walter Blackstone’s Commentary on Law to explain and illustrate this Biblical concept. The following is from Blackstone's "Commentary on Law" concerning the equality of mankind at creation:

"If man were to live in a state of nature, unconnected with other individuals, there would be no occasion for any other laws, than the law of nature, and the law of God. Neither could any other law possibly exist; for a law always supposes some superior who is to make it; and in a state of nature we are all equal, without any other superior but him who is also the author of our being."

This phrase "law of nature" was explained by Blackstone a little earlier in his "Commentary on Law" in the following manner:

"This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

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"....four basic principles. ...summed up by an eminent English statesman and jurist, Sir James Stephen, as follows: "These principles were, firstly that the will of the people was the one legitimate source of the power of the rulers; secondly, that the power was most properly delegated by the people, to their rulers, by means of elections, in which every adult man might exercise the right of suffrage; thirdly, that in ecclesiastical government, the clergy and laity were entitled to an equal and co-ordinate authority; and fourthly that between the Church and State, no alliance, or mutual dependence, or other definite relation, necessarily or properly existed."

26 posted on 07/09/2005 1:45:25 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Certain things, if not seen as lovely or detestable, are not being correctly seen at all." ~Lewis)
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