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Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage
The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

Posted on 07/05/2005 5:31:57 AM PDT by Bon mots

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To: papertyger

Why do you just throw insults around? Everyone has their own experiences and opinions....did I hit a nerve with you too?


581 posted on 07/05/2005 5:44:52 PM PDT by Fawn
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To: Fawn
....did I hit a nerve with you too?

You really do think highly of yourself, don't you?

No one here is being critical of your experiences; they're being critical of your solipsistic interpretation of those experiences.

Your thought processes remind me of a pre-enlightenment scientist expounding on how leaves wiggling on trees cause wind.

582 posted on 07/05/2005 5:54:21 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: highball

.....the circle of political ideology.....

Is this what you were refering to highball?

http://teacherweb.ftl.pinecrest.edu/crawfor/apcg/Unit3circle.htm


583 posted on 07/05/2005 6:00:42 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: Tax-chick
Moral laws are like physical laws - they work whether you "believe" in them or not. A society that abandons Christian marriage and family is a society that will fail.

BINGO!!! Wow, God did know best after all. The keys to a successful marriage are written as plain as day, it just requires people to quit being selfish and self centered.

If you go in a marriage expecting it to fail then it is a self fulfilling prophesy. I personally wouldn't want to even consider someone as a marriage partner if that was how they think. The marriage is doomed with that kind of mindset.

584 posted on 07/05/2005 6:03:57 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: papertyger
"You fear commitment..."

LOL

Actually it might be more accurate to say that I know what commitment is and I eschew it at this point in my life having had enough of it. But thanks for the laugh ;-)

585 posted on 07/05/2005 6:06:28 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: digitalman

Excellent post and insight. Too many people think only of themselves and the almighty dollar as the number one priority in life. They are so wrong. Hopefully they will see the truth before they are old and all alone.


586 posted on 07/05/2005 6:10:43 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: senateforcaster

You attacked a whole bunch of things I did not say, but I note that you did not deny the point I did make. The traditional family is not compatible with a society in which women work in the marketplace. Try to deny that.


587 posted on 07/05/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: muir_redwoods
I got hit on at my wife's wake, I was invited to a woman's summer home for a weekend 20 minutes after I met her. I'm not bragging and I know other widowers who have similar stories.

Talk about tacky and tasteless! Not all women are like that. Unfortunately though a lot are.

588 posted on 07/05/2005 6:24:15 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Brilliant
The traditional family is not compatible with a society in which women work in the marketplace.

I dont know what side you are on, since your statement suports women working since that is congruent with most of todays society, so you seem to support women working.

The traditional family: a married couple with kids, is a very small part of this society, a small minority, consisting of less than 23.5% of American households.

Therefore, the traditional family, is pretty much insignificant to this discussion, dont ya think?

589 posted on 07/05/2005 6:32:24 PM PDT by SandyB
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To: dajeeps

I'll grant you that there are particular families that are better off with the woman working, rather than the husband. But in general, two working parents doesn't work, and the husband staying at home doesn't work.

Given those statistical realities, it's not surprising that the family is declining at an accelerating pace.


590 posted on 07/05/2005 6:35:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: CajunConservative
"Not all women are like that. Unfortunately though a lot are."

I know. I was married to a much classier woman for 29 years. I don't blame anyone for feeling desperate and such a feeling can cloud judgment. Some single women over 40 feel a tremendous urge to marry and the demographics don't favor their chances. My attitude is fairly common among widowers I've met and that's not helping the situation I suppose but I just don't see a compelling reason to marry. Maybe that'll change.

591 posted on 07/05/2005 6:38:04 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Bon mots
Well then they shouldn't whine when they screw up the marriage.

Oh, so it's just the women who screw up the marriage. All I can say is you are full of it!

592 posted on 07/05/2005 6:42:07 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: SandyB

Insignificant to which discussion? That's what I was talking about--the traditional family.

If you want to ignore the traditional family and deal only with the nontraditional family, then it's kind of hard to make any generalizations since there really isn't any other standard template.

The only generalization you can make is that it doesn't seem to be working, as evidenced by the long list of societal ills, the vast majority of which can be traced directly to the breakdown of the family.

And when you start to talk about what needs to be done to save the nontraditional family, you really are lost because every nontraditional family has a different problem.


593 posted on 07/05/2005 6:42:16 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: papertyger
My little girl.




594 posted on 07/05/2005 6:45:46 PM PDT by Eaker (My wife rocks!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Women haven't been taught manners and decorum for a few years now and well, it paints those of us who have been taught the proper social graces in a bad light.



595 posted on 07/05/2005 6:55:13 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: HitmanNY; SandyB
When a woman manager or physician or attorney or biologist, etc comes home from a long day at work making mega bucks, she will expect dinner and a clean house.

She can keep on waiting.

I have not encountered many women who would be content in a marriage with somebody who makes less than her.

Currently, there are lots of women professionals. SandyB probably knows a good number. Does anybody see female executives dating sanitation men? She might date a buff construction worker occasionally, but she won't let her friends meet him

What will happen is the excess educated women will die bitter and alone. The less educated men will still be able to find women. Men don't NEED a wife with a professional career as much as they need a woman who will love and respect them

596 posted on 07/05/2005 6:56:53 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: Eaker

Who do you think I got the idea from? :o)


597 posted on 07/05/2005 6:58:03 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


598 posted on 07/05/2005 7:01:50 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Men don't NEED a wife with a professional career as much as they need a woman who will love and respect them

Heaven knows I don't need a woman that doesn't love and respect me. Like I said, I have no interest in a relationship with a woman who has significantly greater career time demands than I do. I don't want an absentee galpal. I think its fine if they want to go their way, I just have no desire to be the man in their life.

Part of the deal of making the big bucks, unless you go your own way (like I did), is extraordinary time demands, difficulty in planning and keeping dates, dealing with the angst because of office politics, etc. I had no desire to do that myself, and I have no desire to deal with the residual angst from a romantic interest that has to navigate all that stuff.

Women like that should just meet men with a similar career, or with men who don't mind the disparity in lifestyles, and leave the rest of us alone.

599 posted on 07/05/2005 7:02:57 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: brownsfan
I'm not a psycho... being a Steelers fan is just a Browns fan who likes Black and Gold, (and has had a lot more success lately!).

True, there are lots of similarities between Cleveland and Pittsburgh and I remember when Art Modell took the Browns away, both Brown and Steeler fans got together and mourned. I remember that.

It's funny how free traders wrap themselves in the flag. They are every bit as dangerous as some of the looney left. They don't care about their country, or about their neighbors or about anything but their portfolio. How shallow, how devoid of vision.

I know, I fail to see what is truly American or conservative in their plans. I mean they would have the point if the world was one giant United States with our Constitution but it is not this way and it will never be that way. I do have an acqaintance in Holland and he does call some of the free traders who are just concerned with the bottom line, "calculators without a vision." I do have more respect for the loony left than the free traders, at least the rank and file left, at least they are truthful in their agenda. I guess it is like how Patton had a general repsect for his German opponents although he still fought them tooth and nail. Speaking of the left, I do believe the free traders are playing into their hands, with more people out of work, the more demands on society, that means you'll need more welfare and so on. With less jobs, you'll have less self sufficent people, nature abhores a vacuum so something will step in to fill it, most likely a more advanced welfare system, we will end up resembling an American version of Sweden at least until the system gets so bogged down, it will collapse. I do support the idea of a welfare safety net, but when you have too many in the wagon with not enough pulling it, it is bad for the country and the people at large. If we keep going down this path, we will end up like that.

Glad there are a few like us here.

I do find a good number of us here who believe in the same or similar thing. It's kind of refreshing to see that I'm not alone.

I'm too old, and too married... maybe you are young and single enough? SandyB needs a guy like one of us. ;)

Well, I'll be 39 on Friday (July 8th) B-)
600 posted on 07/05/2005 7:05:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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