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To: cherrytoes
Christian Fact Sheet:
1. God is divine (perfect).
2. Man is not divine (imperfect).
3. Man is created by God and desires to be reunited with God (Heaven).

Q: How does man become reunited with God(Heaven)?
A1: Judaism/Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism/New Ageism/etc: Earned.
A2: Christianity: Christ.

Forgot about the atheists: They already think their perfect.
214 posted on 07/01/2005 12:11:40 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Mulch

Please provide the verse(s) that support your #3 fact.

Thanks.


220 posted on 07/01/2005 12:15:55 PM PDT by cherrytoes (Life is - you know...)
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To: Mulch; cherrytoes
Man is created by God and desires to be reunited with God (Heaven).

This is not true. We were *dead* in our trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1 and 5). Dead people do not desire anything. It is instead *by grace* that you are saved, as a response to One seeking you.

Here's Ephesians 2:1-9:

And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God-- not because of works, lest any man should boast.

263 posted on 07/01/2005 12:58:42 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Mulch
At least as far as I know from some Jews and some Bhuddists and some "new age" churches, your statement:

"Q: How does man become reunited with God(Heaven)?

A1: Judaism/Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism/New Ageism/etc: Earned."

is simplistic and not theologically sound by the tenants of their beliefs.

"Works" by themselves will not take you to God but ABSOLUTE faith in God can lead you to God and if you acknowledge God as the center and power in your life then that change in you should be reflected in your "works"; otherwise faith and seeking have not brought you to God, you're just going through the motions and the ritual and mouthing words of belief that you do not live. That "living" is not, as you would say a way to "earn" something with God; it is a reflection of living your faith in God.

Is what I believe many Jews and many Bhuddists would tell you, concerning their beliefs.

272 posted on 07/01/2005 1:05:15 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Mulch
A1: Judaism... Earned.

Ask a Jew how they EARNED a part in the world to come. They will laugh and tell you that no one can EARN a part. I am not arguing with your belief in this, only that it is a common MYTH about Judaism. Judaism, is a religion that depends as much upon the grace of G-d as Christianity does.
301 posted on 07/01/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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