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I have visited Checkpoint Charlie museum many times back when Berlin was still divide. It was awesome. I guess, it is very social to just forget the atrocities comitted, it will make everyone feel so much better? Sarcasm
1 posted on 06/26/2005 1:37:12 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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Typical.


2 posted on 06/26/2005 1:38:58 PM PDT by bad company (Then they say 'I came to the wrong jihad.'")
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Well they want to get rid of it so people forget and it can happen again. Just like democrats here. Let`s make pretend Saddam is not another Hitler so this way he can detroy Israel and have another holocaust. That saying that says "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" should be changed. It should now say "Those who are liberal weiners want to forget the past so it has a chance to repeat."


8 posted on 06/26/2005 1:48:21 PM PDT by EdHallick (It`s time to play the feeuuud! "Name something evil" "Hitlery" ..Good answer good answer "Survey say)
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Put it up on Ebay?


9 posted on 06/26/2005 1:48:23 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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So when are the French going to "free up" that land in Normandy...where all those white crosses disturb France's delicate psyche?

Seriously, if Germany does this they prove yet again that they can accept the consequences of their own history - let alone learn from it.

10 posted on 06/26/2005 1:49:25 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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11 posted on 06/26/2005 1:51:45 PM PDT by eabinga
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Germany= Germ many.


12 posted on 06/26/2005 1:53:12 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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There can be no place for memorializing feats of bravery and Freedom in the socialist "New World Order"! Something like this could give people ideas, we would much prefer the Holocaust memorial as it doesn't glorify acts of subversion against the state. Enough talk of this comrades, off to work with you, the state is depending on the collective efforts of you all. Do not fill your heads with thoughts such as this, or we will remove them for you!! TO WORK... MACHT SCHNELL... SCHNELL!!
13 posted on 06/26/2005 1:54:04 PM PDT by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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July 4th must be intentional and symbolic for buldozing.

This is so orwellian as to be beyond irony.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 1:55:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To justify their decision, both members of the SPD and PDS have described the Checkpoint Charlie monument as an eye-sore or as something that trivializes the Cold War by turning the city into a Disneyland-style theme park.

Wow, sure looks like Disneyland to me. I guess this is the Mickey Mouse haunted graveyeard ride??


16 posted on 06/26/2005 1:55:37 PM PDT by EdHallick (It`s time to play the feeuuud! "Name something evil" "Hitlery" ..Good answer good answer "Survey say)
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You can bulldoze history. But that will not make it go away. I hope the German people speak out against this event. But knowing Europe, I doubt that will happen. You don't suppose the Clinton's would love to bulldoze a bunch of stuff?


17 posted on 06/26/2005 1:56:59 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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My husband's friend was shot and killed by a sniper at Checkpoint Charlie.


18 posted on 06/26/2005 1:59:51 PM PDT by Cindy
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They're bulldozing Checkpoint Charlie in Germany; meanwhile, we have Holocaust memorials in the US.

Americans build memorials to crimes we didn't even commit, while some want to brush their past under the rug.

19 posted on 06/26/2005 2:00:29 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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I guess when the museum is no more it will mean that those of us who were assigned to Germany during the Cold War were never there. I had four tours in Germany: one in the sixties, one in the seventies, and two in the eighties, and did my share of getting cold, wet, and muddy at "garden spots" like Grafenwoehr and Hohenfels. I was there when the Berlin Wall fell. Hey, Germany and the rest of Europe! Next time you need somebody to save your rear ends, call on somebody else!


22 posted on 06/26/2005 2:05:18 PM PDT by billnaz (Gunner! Shot! Tank! Fire!)
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Well, the story is not as bad as it seems upon further research.

The (private) monument of crosses has been there since october of 2004 (for 8 months) on leased property. The lease has expired and the bank from which the property was leased wants its land cleared. A court has ruled, the the organizers of the monument must clear the land.



25 posted on 06/26/2005 2:15:08 PM PDT by eabinga
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The article is vastly misleading. The "checkpoint charlie
museum" is an initiative by a private person and was
installed on leased property, the leasing contract expired
2004-12-31 and the bank, who owns the property, didnt want
crosses and graves any more (or, they speculated that they
could actually sell the property for a hefty profit)

The parties went to court, and the judge decided in favor
of the property owner. Four out of five experts rated the
whole thing more a tourist attraction laden with historical inaccuracies than a piece of art or a memorial.

The date (4th july) set for razing the whole shebang is
totally coincidental. Its not that checkpoint charlie
is flattened after all.

The whole episode, of course, went ballistic with the
private initiator, the bank, the ruling political parties
and the opposition parties all slinging large amounts of
mud at each other.


27 posted on 06/26/2005 2:18:51 PM PDT by LaBestiaNegra (Ultimately, the only power to whom man should aspire is that which he exercises over himself(Wiesel))
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We have many things to be disappointed with the current German politicians about, but this "closing" seems to be blown up out of proportion.

I think that the excellent museum is staying open, this is some other monument. The Checkpoint Charlie museum is excellent. I went for the third time earlier this year-- it is always impressive to see the creativity of the people trying to flee totalitarian rule.

And, the Germans and Austrians have kept a number of the Concentration camps open as a vivid reminder of the Holocaust. I just visited one in Austria- Mauthausen-- that was the last to be liberated by the Americans. They have kept most of the buildings and the Stairs of Death untouched, including the ovens and the gas chamber.

Dachau, Auschwitz, and many more are still there as reminders.


28 posted on 06/26/2005 2:20:17 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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I don't see why people are upset about Schröder's New Germany. After all, we taught them a lesson in 1918 and they've scarecly troubled us since then.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


33 posted on 06/26/2005 2:25:50 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F ("One of Pol Pot's Finest Gulag-managing Nazis since 1979" - Sen. Dick Turban)
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I guess they don't want to offend the East German elite. I wonder how the East German people feel about this?

Note to future victorious governments: write a permanent museum requirement into every armistice with mandatory resumption of hostilities if the vanquished tries to erase the evidence of their crimes.

39 posted on 06/26/2005 2:52:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Same stuff, different democRAT [this tagline rated PG-13])
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Unbelievable.


43 posted on 06/26/2005 3:12:36 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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These types of monuments cause severe cognitive dissonance among many on the left.


47 posted on 06/26/2005 3:34:57 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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