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Info I picked up from listening David Kock (Satish's Lawyer) being interviewed by Greta during her 6/28/05 show airing, plus my thoughts.

Deepak and Joran = most contact with each other, including chatting online very early in the morning (sometime after 3:20 am)

Joran left on the beach with Natalee = 2 brothers went home (per David Kock - this is the story they have been sticking with for the last 10 days consistently)

Joran claimed he called Deepak to come pick him up (2:30 am and possibly as late as 2:40am) - but "records" show that this could not be since Joran later text messaged Deepak to tell him he made it home. So there is no "logical" reason for Joran to text message Deepak that he got home "if" Deepak came back to the beach and then drove Joran home. Police called Joran on this...

Joran was confronted with his lie because LE has records that Joran text messaged Deepak to tell him he made it home. So Joran changed his story again after being told that LE has the contents of the text message he sent Deepak. Joran's new story after he was caught again in a lie was that Satish that picked him up. (there is no proof that Satish did or did not pick Joran up. Satish is saying he did not go back and pick Joran up.)

The first cell phone call was made at around 2:30 am (possibly as late as 2:40am) the text message (I made it home) was sent to Deepak on his cell phone some 40 minutes later after the cell phone call. (both of these are on cell phone records) - There are no cell phone records after the late " I got home" text message between Joran, Satish and Deepak.

Satish (per his Lawyer) says the brothers drop Joran & Natalie off at about 1:50am, but before 2:00am (the lawyer did not say where during this interview)

There is no known communication between Satish and Joran after 1:50am. So I am assuming that Satish is saying he never went back to pick up Joran - his lawyer believes this - but Satish has no alibi or no way to prove he was at home asleep, unless Deepak is his alibi (we know his mom is not their alibi because she came home from work late and saw the bedroom doors closed to the boy's bedrooms and she did not look in on them.) and Deepak is saying that he never went back to pick up Joran. But I think LE has some sort of proof that Joran had a online conversation with Deepak after he text messaged Deepak the "I made it home message". (they have the computers - but maybe they are still retrieving the content of the online conversation from the ISP's)

I think that Deepak admits that he had a online conversation with Joran from listening to Satish's lawyer talk as he brings up briefly a online conversation between Joran and the other brother (Deepak), but not his client (Satish). Was this online conversation between Joran and Deepak asking that the brothers come over to the VDS property later in the day on Monday after he gets off school? (not enough to raise suspicion or prove anything for LE?). Is this when the father and 3 boys came up with the Holiday Inn and 2 black security guard story? (I remember something being leaked out from one of the brothers that they were around the VDS pool discussing the planning of the Holiday Inn and 2 black security story.).

Now who was at the VDS's home when the boys were around the pool? Was it just the 3 boys making up the lie and did the brothers think they were going to lie just to cover Joran arse so that his father didn't know he was out so late at night? (lie for me with this story so that my Dad does not now I was out until after 3:00 am on school night, it's bad enough that he found out I snuck out but if he finds out I was out past 3:00 am I will be in deeper trouble?)

OR was it Joran and PVDS there around the pool asking the brothers to make up this lie and didn't the brothers ask why they were being asked to lie for Joran? Were the brother told what actually happened to Natalee that night or were they told that Joran just left her on beach and now she is missing and it looks bad for all the 3 boys since she was last seen getting in Deepaks car with all 3 of them or were they just told "something bad happened" but that it was Joran fault so we need you 2 brothers to protect him and lie for him. Did PVDS tell the boys if they didn't lie then did he threaten "if Joran goes down you go down with him as neither of you have alibi that you went home that night and remember she was seen getting in your car Deepak with Satish and Joran?

At around 1:50 am the bros dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach. At 2:30 or 2:40 Joran wanted to get out of there, or at least was unengaged enough from Natalee to make a call (what he said on that call we really don't know). Then at around 3:10 we have the record of him text messaging Deepak that he (Joran) had made it home.

This does not leave a lot of time on the beach with Natalee. Perhaps she passed out cold or died very quickly after they got there.

Who did take him home? Could he have walked home in 40 mins?

Could he have gotten home, told his father what happened (the poor Natalee dying of asphyxiation on vomit, or possibly another drug he had given her, or maybe even due to some rough treatment by Joran), and his father told him to stay home, that he would take care of this little problem and make sure it disappeared?

I tend to think that with no vehicle, Joran probably DID leave her at the beach. IF they really went to the beach.

Ok let's say this is the true story as we know it;

Deepak and Satish drop Natalee and Joran off at the beach near the Marriott (near the fisherman huts) at about 1:50am but before 2:00am.

Deepak gets a cell phone call from Joran between 2:30am and 2:40am (voice to voice conversation) Joran asks Deepak to come back and get him at the beach so that he does not have to walk home. Deepak tells him no and that Joran can hoof it home or Deepak tells him why don't you try to find another ride home with someone else, but call me or text message me to let me know you made it home when you get there. (this leaves a time frame of about 50 minutes or less from the time Joran and Natalee are drop off at the beach by the brothers)

Joran text messages Deepak some 40 minutes later to let Deepak know he made it home. (Did Joran walk, did he get a ride from another friend, did he call his father for a ride?) (this leaves a time frame of at least 1 hour and 20 minutes after the brothers left Natalee and Joran at the beach, that is if Joran was really home when he text messaged Deepak that he made it home. LE knows there was a online conversation between Joran and Deepak in the early morning hours (this would have happened after Joran made it home sometime after 3:20 am) - David Kock mentions this online conversation very briefly in his interview with Greta and that it was between Joran and Deepak, but not Satish.

If Joran told Deepak about anything online, LE would have the content of the online conversation hopefully from the computers or from the ISP's by this time. If Joran told Deepak something (like she died - or killed her - etc...) then they would know she is dead and that the Kalpoe brother had nothing to do with it at this point. So since this has not happened yet, than either Joran did not say anything to Deepak online that would show or prove his guilt. Something tells me that the "meet" at my house at such such time later today" (Monday) was what the online conversation was about.

So let's say the brothers know nothing about Natalee's faith they just think they are going over to Joran's to hang out. When they get there... the plan about the Holiday Inn is made. Was PVDS there also? Had he worked out the plan and was telling the boys what to say?

Did the boys learn what happened to Natalee during this meeting at VDS's? How did Joran or PVDS convince the brothers to lie about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and why say 2 black security guards walked up to her as they pulled away after dropping her off?

Did the father convince the brothers that since she was last seen with all 3 boys in Deepak's car, then they would all take the fall if they did not lie to cover for Joran?

I feel like if the brother's did go home after dropping Natalee and Joran off at the beach and stayed home. They most likely we not told what exactly what happened to Natalie, only that "something bad happened" by Joran or Joran and his father.

David Kock said that Satish was being held because he lied and told police the Holiday Inn/Security Guard story and Satish cannot prove he was at home after Deepak and him drop Joran and Natalee off at the beach. Deepak would be his only alibi and Satish would be Deepak only alibi.

Cell phone records should show what cell tower picked up Joran's call to Deepak and which tower received the call on Deepak's end. LE probably knows where Deepak was and that he was at home. But they might believe that both the brothers know (that the learned after the fact) what happened to Natalee. I believe if the brother knew exactly what happened to her and what he did with her body and if they were both home they would have told LE.

Most likely PVDS made sure that Joran did not tell the brothers exactly what happened that night and what Joran or Joran and his father did with her body. Because if the brother knew and if her body was found and LE knew the brothers were at home then Joran would be the only one going down for killing her.

So Joran and PVDS have these 2 brother up against a wall even if they were at home like they claim, they only have each other (the brothers) for alibi's. I bet PVDS asked the boys if anyone saw them after they got home that night and they probably don't him no.

Remember this is if the brother's story is true... They have no way to prove they were "both" home, unless Deepak's online surfing record shows up and he is finally believed by LE that he was at home, then he can vouch for Satish being home and give Staish an alibi.

PVDS cannot give Joran an alibi and no one can give PVDS an alibi.

What a nasty web for LE to figure out without having a crime scene or a body.