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Ok let's say this is the true story as we know it;

Deepak and Satish drop Natalee and Joran off at the beach near the Marriott (near the fisherman huts) at about 1:50am but before 2:00am.

Deepak gets a cell phone call from Joran between 2:30am and 2:40am (voice to voice conversation) Joran asks Deepak to come back and get him at the beach so that he does not have to walk home. Deepak tells him no and that Joran can hoof it home or Deepak tells him why don't you try to find another ride home with someone else, but call me or text message me to let me know you made it home when you get there. (this leaves a time frame of about 50 minutes or less from the time Joran and Natalee are drop off at the beach by the brothers)

Joran text messages Deepak some 40 minutes later to let Deepak know he made it home. (Did Joran walk, did he get a ride from another friend, did he call his father for a ride?) (this leaves a time frame of at least 1 hour and 20 minutes after the brothers left Natalee and Joran at the beach, that is if Joran was really home when he text messaged Deepak that he made it home. LE knows there was a online conversation between Joran and Deepak in the early morning hours (this would have happened after Joran made it home sometime after 3:20 am) - David Kock mentions this online conversation very briefly in his interview with Greta and that it was between Joran and Deepak, but not Satish.

If Joran told Deepak about anything online, LE would have the content of the online conversation hopefully from the computers or from the ISP's by this time. If Joran told Deepak something (like she died - or killed her - etc...) then they would know she is dead and that the Kalpoe brother had nothing to do with it at this point. So since this has not happened yet, than either Joran did not say anything to Deepak online that would show or prove his guilt. Something tells me that the "meet" at my house at such such time later today" (Monday) was what the online conversation was about.

So let's say the brothers know nothing about Natalee's faith they just think they are going over to Joran's to hang out. When they get there... the plan about the Holiday Inn is made. Was PVDS there also? Had he worked out the plan and was telling the boys what to say?

Did the boys learn what happened to Natalee during this meeting at VDS's? How did Joran or PVDS convince the brothers to lie about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and why say 2 black security guards walked up to her as they pulled away after dropping her off?

Did the father convince the brothers that since she was last seen with all 3 boys in Deepak's car, then they would all take the fall if they did not lie to cover for Joran?

I feel like if the brother's did go home after dropping Natalee and Joran off at the beach and stayed home. They most likely we not told what exactly what happened to Natalie, only that "something bad happened" by Joran or Joran and his father.

David Kock said that Satish was being held because he lied and told police the Holiday Inn/Security Guard story and Satish cannot prove he was at home after Deepak and him drop Joran and Natalee off at the beach. Deepak would be his only alibi and Satish would be Deepak only alibi.

Cell phone records should show what cell tower picked up Joran's call to Deepak and which tower received the call on Deepak's end. LE probably knows where Deepak was and that he was at home. But they might believe that both the brothers know (that the learned after the fact) what happened to Natalee. I believe if the brother knew exactly what happened to her and what he did with her body and if they were both home they would have told LE.

Most likely PVDS made sure that Joran did not tell the brothers exactly what happened that night and what Joran or Joran and his father did with her body. Because if the brother knew and if her body was found and LE knew the brothers were at home then Joran would be the only one going down for killing her.

So Joran and PVDS have these 2 brother up against a wall even if they were at home like they claim, they only have each other (the brothers) for alibi's. I bet PVDS asked the boys if anyone saw them after they got home that night and they probably don't him no.

Remember this is if the brother's story is true... They have no way to prove they were "both" home, unless Deepak's online surfing record shows up and he is finally believed by LE that he was at home, then he can vouch for Satish being home and give Staish an alibi.

PVDS cannot give Joran an alibi and no one can give PVDS an alibi.

What a nasty web for LE to figure out without having a crime scene or a body.

this goes with my last post...

So the brothers are at home - they stay at home.

There is a online conversation between Joran and Deepak sometime after 3:20am (after the 3:20am text message that he made it home) but was he really at home then? - maybe the online conversation between him and deepak was closer to 4:30 am, thus giving Joran a lot more time to get rid of her body or to call his father and both of them dispose of her body. Maybe Joran father picked him up and Natalee's body and they went back home to a secure place until PVDS could figure out what to do with her body. Maybe he had Joran get on the computer to ask Deepak and Satish to come over later in the day without having Joran tell them why he wanted them to come over. Joran probably would not have to give them a specific reason why he wanted them to come over.

Rumor has it now that Joran caught the school bus at 6:40am that morning for school and that he was at school. So if this is true that gave Joran and his father (if he father helped) from 1:50am to at least 6:40am to get rid of her body. Most likely less time as they would not want to be moving a body around during daylight.

Unless Natalee's body was still at the house Tuesday morning when Natalee's parents were there and when they were sent on a goose chase looking for Joran.

Is Natalee's body on the VDS's property somewhere? Get the dogs over there and let's see if PVDS drowns in his own sweat when they show up with the dogs. (I know dogs were there at one time but I heard they were drug sniffing dogs and not cadaver sniffing dogs)

So this is my thoughts on if the brothers are not involved and if they truly went home that night at 1:50 am and stayed home.

Glad I went to bed when I did or I'd have been up at least another 30 mins thinking about your scenarios/questions. Good post.

I tend to agree with you, that the brothers really DID go home and were not involved in the murder or body hiding. I do think that they may have been asked to lie by the VDS's (assuming the Dad), and may have believed some bull from him like "You HAVE to do this, boys. You are as involved as Joran. Hang tight with this story and this will all blow over in a couple of weeks. My friends in the justice and police depts will see to that."

I don't think that 1+ hour was enough time to dispose of the body. I still think the body hiding came AFTER Joran made that text message to Deepak.

I do not think Joran intended to kill Natalee. However, rough sex with a very intoxicated person would be manslaughter at the least. I don't even know whether the father was involved in her death; another scenario might have Natalee struggling for breath or still with a HB or pulse when Dad VDS shows, and he decides they'd get in less trouble if Natalee just went for a long swim rather than bring her to the hospital, where a rape kit would show the VDS DNA. This is just one of a million scenarios, but it does involve murder one.