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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: maggiefluffs

I don't have time right now but I found some personal pictures of the Fisherman Huts in aruba on Webshots a couple dyas ago. You could try a keyword search there if you like. But I will do the search later tonight and will let you know what I come up with. The ones I saw on webshots looked like abobes with vent holes and wood doors.


4,481 posted on 06/29/2005 2:14:02 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: maggiefluffs

Ok.. I stand corrected.


4,482 posted on 06/29/2005 2:15:24 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: dc-zoo

There are at least 15 cell towers on the island - this is now known from doing some research.


4,483 posted on 06/29/2005 2:15:30 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: GarySpFc

Can you give me a MSM resource for these ATM transactions?


4,484 posted on 06/29/2005 2:18:02 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: Quilla
"I'd love to see the transcript of John's first telling of his conversation with Deepak because something about the AT lady bugs me. "

I saw her as well, she seemed giddy to me like she was on something. I think most of the population on that island are a bunch of drunks and/or addicts. Party on.....

4,485 posted on 06/29/2005 2:20:24 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: brigette
"Now Joran is telling police that he walked home. So Joran is really the only one "still" lying. He keeps lying about how he got home that morning. Why? Is it because his father came and got him or someone else that was involved in killing Natalee with Joran gave him a ride home? Joran is trying like crazy to cover up how he got home that morning"

Bingo!!

J is not the kind of guy that is going to walk anywhere!! He's used to driving or using his friends as taxicabs. He has that upper class mentality that they have going on down there.

4,486 posted on 06/29/2005 2:24:04 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: maggiefluffs
Help Police! Vista aruba BB Have you seen this site?

"HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?! I cannot find any web address info for police stations in Aruba. I am trying to get info on their current investigation on the DISAPPEARANCE (ABDUCTION? MURDER?) of a teenaged girl during our local high school's trip to Aruba. How can I reach them?!"

"The child's mother has flown to Aruba to help look for her. Our only source for information is the travel agent, who is not receiving much info,..."

She goes on to mention 2 other kidnapped girls that were rescued by aruba police. Lots of posts. Dated May 31st.

4,487 posted on 06/29/2005 2:30:05 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: WestCoastGal

Yes... walking home would have been Joran's last resort. I believe that he would even call the brothers in the middle of the night to ask them for a ride home before he would hoof it on foot. The brothers probably told him no or or they let him down gently and told to try and find another way home and if you can't find a ride home from someone else then call us back. The text messages was to let the brother know he made it home after calling them for a ride home.


4,488 posted on 06/29/2005 2:35:00 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: monkeywrench; All

I think that's Dash's mom.




Wacky Shango alert!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1193

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1200#comments

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_53.html#comments


4,489 posted on 06/29/2005 2:35:09 PM PDT by maggief
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To: brigette

I hate to think of how this story will end. Doesn't look like they're going to find a body. The news media will soon jump to a new and bigger story and the case will then fall into the recycle bin. It would be nice to have some answers before that happens. Sure looks like JVDS will get away with murder.


4,490 posted on 06/29/2005 2:36:11 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: brigette

No, but those were reported in the press.


4,491 posted on 06/29/2005 2:36:42 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: maggiefluffs

Thanks. Has anything on the purported 2 other girls turned up?


4,492 posted on 06/29/2005 2:49:14 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: dc-zoo
It's unlikely they have multiple cell towers

Think so, too. The nearest one may be in Caracas.

4,493 posted on 06/29/2005 2:50:09 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: brigette

Sounds very plausible.


4,494 posted on 06/29/2005 3:00:53 PM PDT by Actually_in_Tokyo
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To: brigette

I make it about 2.5 miles at most from Cali lighthouse to the van der Sweat house, -does that sound right to you Brigette?


4,495 posted on 06/29/2005 3:04:00 PM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: the Deejay

MSNBC interviewing Aruba's chief prosecutor.

"Others were text messaged."

Emails, text messages, cell records, ATM records.


4,496 posted on 06/29/2005 3:05:15 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

"Harm done to the investigation by the father and the family."

Harm or obstructed.

Father HAS spoken with the three suspects and she thinks it went further than legal advice.

He said "If there is no body there is no crime."

The parents have asked one of the released guys to come to the home and tell them what he told the police!


4,497 posted on 06/29/2005 3:08:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: brigette
Glad I went to bed when I did or I'd have been up at least another 30 mins thinking about your scenarios/questions. Good post.

I tend to agree with you, that the brothers really DID go home and were not involved in the murder or body hiding. I do think that they may have been asked to lie by the VDS's (assuming the Dad), and may have believed some bull from him like "You HAVE to do this, boys. You are as involved as Joran. Hang tight with this story and this will all blow over in a couple of weeks. My friends in the justice and police depts will see to that."

I don't think that 1+ hour was enough time to dispose of the body. I still think the body hiding came AFTER Joran made that text message to Deepak.

I do not think Joran intended to kill Natalee. However, rough sex with a very intoxicated person would be manslaughter at the least. I don't even know whether the father was involved in her death; another scenario might have Natalee struggling for breath or still with a HB or pulse when Dad VDS shows, and he decides they'd get in less trouble if Natalee just went for a long swim rather than bring her to the hospital, where a rape kit would show the VDS DNA. This is just one of a million scenarios, but it does involve murder one.

4,498 posted on 06/29/2005 3:08:55 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Howlin

Good! When does she present new evidence to have the perps held over again?


4,499 posted on 06/29/2005 3:09:07 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Howlin; All; maggiefluffs; brigette; spectre; TexKat

------>A couple of days after she went missing, the father told the boys "if there is no body, there is no crime."


4,500 posted on 06/29/2005 3:09:33 PM PDT by Howlin
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