Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[No Surrender No Retreat]

Thanks, and how did you derive the handle "bluepistolero?" NSNR

[cajungirl]

Plus did you hear what they were singing? Stayin' alive and then Jailhouse Rock. Nite before last, someone said on another site that they were playing "Girls just Wanta Have Fun". You have to wonder.

I wish they would interview elsewhere,,the tropical winds and the music are just so sureal. I know that family, walking around that resort, must feel so weird.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

A sane and reasonable person can see the truth always hurts the hysterical liberal commie democraps. NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Queen Jadis, just another one of the ulterior hate America tropical island paradise's. One thing they love, our money and apparently our naive women.

The three POS, thought the (2) security guards(Bro's) would be good for the rap as to the social stratification order in Aruba. If in doubt, pin it on a person(s) to whom the island hiearchy mentality feels most comfortable with as the perp(s)

I am glad to see those two innocent men released and the real perps put on the spit for some roasting.

Aruba will never see one American cent from my pocket, or be graced by my presence.

I believe if the Aruban autorities had adopted a far more agressive investigative posture (the cowboy way) this case may have been solved and possibly a life saved.

Under the Dutch Law, we will never see the punishment for the crime committed to be synonomous. NSNR

[xsmommy]

gosh, no. how horrible. i hadn't made out what they were singing, i was just annoyed by the music in general. i was even irked by Sean's billy graham background crowd noise.

you're right, it must be bizarre for that poor family to see everything going on, as is the norm, sun, fun, etc.

[cajungirl]

When I heard "Stayin Alive" in the background, I thought I had gone over an edge until someone else said they heard it.

[demkicker]

Jug also said they don't get Fox down there and in fact he told the FBI about some of the things he's heard.

Thanks, sarasota, I've been wondering about that, especially after seeing Jug & Beth interviewed on CNN and them saying something about watching CNN!

Wonder why Fox News hasn't broken into that market? I've been so frustrated the last couple of years when vacationing in Costa Rica & Roatan (Honduras). Both trips, I had to go through Fox News withdrawal and refrain from throwing things at the t.v. while getting the worst anti-American propaganda news from CNN I've ever seen. We all bitch about CNN here in the states. You ain't seen nuthin' until you see the garbage CNN calls 'news' when you're out of the country. You may know this already, but I had to get it off my chest!

[demkicker]

Joran was keenly aware that his father was in the justice system, and that he would be ruined if Joran had a dead girl on his hands. In a way, it was...blackmail. Of course none of them intended to kill her, but the cover up is the biggest sin, IMHO.

I think you're right. Joran knew daddy would help him since daddy's life was all about his work. Too bad PvdS was so wrapped up in his career that he didn't realize his son was out of control.

The sins of the son are spotlighting the bigger sins of the father, who, especially as a jurist, should have known better.

[maggief]

greta... Natalie meet (saw) both PVDS and JVDS at the casino that Sunday.

Big bump on that post, brigette.

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Just heard on FOX ... NO plea bargains in Aruba.

[cajungirl]

The no plea bargains doesn't live the law much leverage. I have always hated pleas but they do make sense.

[cajungirl]

I meant the no pleas doesn't give the law much leverage.

[maggief]

No it doesn't leave the law much leverage. That could explain why SK is still held. He'd be the one easiest to cut a deal with, IMO. Now I understand ... no deals in Aruba.

[demkicker]

And I ache just the same as everyone for Natalee and her mother, and all the mothers in this. My own son was shot in the head and almost died, and the perps have never been brought to justice. My son is blind now, so I know the agony of Beth as close as I can having experienced my own worry for my son. I also know that the earliest suspect in the shooting of my son was wrongly fingered and the agony his family suffered. I am trying to leave that lesson guide my feelings and not rush to judgement on what seems to be obvious

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am so sorry about your tragic experience and as a mother, empathize with you and your son. Prayers sent your way....

[bonfire]

Bad news for her parents. What incentive, other than telling the truth (ha), do they have?

[demkicker]

Yes, Varina...I heard two separate interviews of Natalee's friends and both said she introduced herself to Joran. One said she asked him to meet them at C and C's later. The other said she had not heard that particular conversation.

As to forcing her to go with them, I believe most all who saw her with the three boys leaving C and C's said she went willingly

I've been nagged by the story the Kalpoe's have told that when they drove off with Natalee, they say that her friends were hollering at her to come back. The Kalpoe's say (and their mother said her sons told her) that they stopped the car and asked Natalee if she wanted to get out of the car, but she told them "No".

Just wondering if that story of the kids who were supposedly yelling and waving for her to 'come back' were ever identified? Anyone know?

[maggief]

New judge coming in ... ordered by the high courts in Holland. Impartiality is the reason given ... (hmmmmmm).

[Peach]

FNC just reported from Aruba. The current judge has made so many decisions about this case that a new judge will probably be appointed at 3:00 today and it's expected we'll hear more at that time.

[maggief]

Per FoxNews.

[demkicker]

greta... Natalie met (saw) both PVDS and JVDS at the casino that Sunday. From your post #1201

Father left the casino (left Joran behind), then picked him up at McDonalds at 11pm to take him home.

So now we know that PVDS had seen and most likely met Natalee at the casino when she was talking to JVDS there.

Why did Daddy leave? - premeditation? - was there a plan set up between PVDS and JVDS? (my skin is crawling)

I couldn't resist posting this in red. After reading for about an hour and catching up on all that's been posted this morning, I found this info remarkable!!!!! Does anyone else besides brigette, maggiefluffs & me think it is significant? I'm still trying to pick my jaw up from the floor!

[sarasota]

I know about CNN, even in airports. Don't know how they've cornered the international market, but they have. Bummer. How did you like Costa Rica?