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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine, has been recognized by agents for Medicare, the federal government, and others for new approaches to helping the brain injured.

Dr. Hammesfahr has been identified in helping patients with chronic brain injuries from many causes actually leave long term disability, and return to work.

Dr. Hammesfahr was identified the first physician to restore deficits caused by stroke.

Dr. Hammesfahr has released the following statement in response to the autopsy report on Terri Schindler Schiavo:

We have seen a lot on the autopsy of Terri Schindler Schiavo in recent days, that I feel needs to be addressed. To ignore these comments will allow future 'Terri Schiavo's' to die needlessly after the wishes of clinicians and family are ignored.

Considering that there were so many physicians and therapists who were willing to step forward to treat Terri Schiavo, from university based practitioners to those in private practice, it clearly shows that the mainstream medical community across the board, those involved in treating patients, knew that they could help Terri.

The record must be set straight. As we noted in the press, there was no heart attack, or evident reason for this to have happened (and certainly not of Terri's making).

Unlike the constant drumbeat from the husband, his attorneys, and his doctors, the brain tissue was not dissolved, with a head of just spinal fluid. In fact, large areas were "relatively preserved."

The purpose of the therapies offered by so many, from major universities, brain injury centers, and from private practice physicians, is to improve and restore quality of life, and function, which the mainstream medical community clearly tried to get to her.

I have had a chance to look at Dr. Nelson's analysis of the brain tissue, and essentially, as a clinician, these are my thoughts.

The autopsy results confirmed my opinion and Dr. Maxfield's opinions, that the frontal areas of the brains, the areas that deal with awareness and cognition were relatively intact. To use Dr. Nelson's words, "relatively preserved." In fact, the relay areas from the frontal and front temporal regions of the brain, to the spinal cord and the brain stem, by way of the basal ganglia, were preserved, thus the evident responses which she was able to express to her family and to the clinicians seeing her or viewing her videotape. The Spect scan confirmed these areas were functional and not scar tissue, and that was apparently also confirmed on Dr. Nelson's review of the slides. Dr. Maxfield's estimates of retained brain weight were apparently accurate, although there may have been some loss of brain weight due to the last two weeks of dehydration.

Dr. Maxfield and myself both emphasized that she was a woman trapped in her body, similar to a child with cerebral palsy, and that was born out by the autopsy, showing greater injury in the motor and visual centers of the brain. Obviously, the pathologists comments that she could not see were not borne out by reality, and thus his assessment must represent sampling error. The videotapes clearly showed her seeing, and even Dr. Cranfoed, for the husband, commented to her that, when she could see the balloon, she could follow it with her eyes as per his request.

That she could not swallow was obviously not borne out by the reality that she was swallowing her saliva, about 1.5 liters per day of liquid, and the clinical swallowing tests done by Dr. Young and Dr. Carpenter. Thus, there appears to be some limitations to the clinical accuracy of an autopsy in evaluating function.

With respect to the issue of trauma, that certainly does not appear to be answered adequately. Some of the types of trauma that are suspected were not adequately evaluated in this assessment. Interestingly, both myself and at least one neurologist for the husband testified to the presence of neck injuries. The issue of a forensic evaluation for trauma, is highly specialized. Hence the wish of the family to have observers which was refused by the examiner.

Ultimately, based on the clinical evidence and the autopsy results, an aware woman was killed.

s/Dr. W. Hammesfahr

[Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999. The Nomination was for work started in 1994. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.]


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To: DoughtyOne
I'm sure the judge is pleased with himself.

Judge Greer is legally blind, so he will not be able to read this. Someone will have to read it to him...

One must remember that Justice is truly blind in this case, or at least Judge Greer.

As Ann Coulter said about Judge Greer, "He was kicked out of the Baptist Church because you can have only one god per Church."

Ann was making a joke that had some truth in it...

121 posted on 06/20/2005 5:59:37 AM PDT by topher (One Nation under God -- God bless and protect our troops)
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To: Dave S

I admit MS lied when he told the jury he would care for TS the rest of her life expectancy. MS lied when he told the court TS said she would want to have the tube pulled.

MS violated his marriage vows when he cohabitated and procreated with another woman out of wedlock.

MS also violated his marriage vows when he discontinued rehab right after he received the settlement money.

You want to start talking credibility? Let's start with MS.


122 posted on 06/20/2005 6:03:21 AM PDT by Voir Dire (I'm seeing and saying.)
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To: Peach
>> It's a shame then that when asked to bring into court the names or files of patients he has helped, he was unable to do so.

Unable or unwilling? It is a violation of medical privacy, and probably a violation of law, to release patients' records. The doctor was perfectly forthcoming about his work with Terri.

123 posted on 06/20/2005 6:07:02 AM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: Earthdweller

There is a mountain of info out there, for anyone who isn't looking for disinformation from sensationalist web sites. It is not difficult to distinguish serious sources from sites operated by muckrakers. Should there be any question, you move on to other serious sources for corroboration.


124 posted on 06/20/2005 6:15:56 AM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: T'wit

Uh. No. Doctors are required to testify in court every day in this nation regarding their patient care and back up claims they have made. Names are redacted to protect patient confidentiality.

The doctor could back up one single claim he'd made about patients he had helped. Not one.


125 posted on 06/20/2005 6:17:07 AM PDT by Peach
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To: topher

Actually Greer's pastor later recanted after further discernment and welcomed Greet to return to the church to further fellowship and worship.


126 posted on 06/20/2005 6:17:34 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Voir Dire
I admit MS lied when he told the jury he would care for TS the rest of her life expectancy

Kind of like the Schindlers lied when they said they were going to take care of Terri themselves at home if only Michael would have released her to their care. Seems like ten-fifteen years ago when the Schindlers were younger they took care of Terri for three weeks after which they admitted they couldnt take it any longer and had her admitted to nursing home care.

127 posted on 06/20/2005 6:18:20 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: T'wit
It is not difficult to distinguish serious sources from sites operated by muckrakers.

Like a website run by Randall Terry or Focus on the Family. Yeah those are credible sites. They dont have an axe to grind in this case. How about dealing with court records and with reports from Terri's three court appointed Guardian Ad Litem's. Nah, cant use them, they dont support the Schindlers lies.

128 posted on 06/20/2005 6:22:12 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: bvw
You're a friggin BSer.

I can accept that. You are now dealing with something that is a matter of opinion. The facts of this case and Dr H's credentials cant be treated the same way. Either Dr H is a Nobel nominated doctor of great stature or he's a self-promoting fool that asked his congressman to "nominate" him. Hell, why didnt he go all out and ask Bilarakis to nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize too. Im sure he's done as much in that area as he has in Medicine.

129 posted on 06/20/2005 6:27:24 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: MACVSOG68
>> Wasn't he sanctioned by the Florida Medical Board for false claims, and didn't he lose his license for a while?

That's easy enough to check. Next time please check first before putting it out in public. If it's not true, it's libel and it could reflect badly on Free Republic.

As I noted in another post, he was not nominated for a Nobel prize through Nobel channels. He was recommended for one, or for a formal nomination if you wish to put it so. It doesn't make the slightest difference to me whether he was nominated or not. That's argumentum ad hominem and a waste of time.

130 posted on 06/20/2005 6:27:29 AM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: Peach
Let me get this right.

President Bush, Governor Bush, the Senate, the Congress, the Thomas Morre law Center, and everyone else who had a issue with this case are just plain nuts!The are radical religious right wing nuts... right?

Everyone who had a problem with this case was gradstanding!

Everyone who had a problem with this case way lying!

Everyone who discussed and debunked the testimony of Michael's doctors and lawyers were moonbats with a fanatical -right to life obsession!

Freepers are NOT medical and law experts so they do not know anything! People are slandering the judge, the husband, the doctors, the lawyers!!!

BUT...

BUT....But it is OK for you to do ALL of that? OH, ok Peach. Why not just demand that we do as you say , not as you do and we will all be clear.

131 posted on 06/20/2005 6:28:43 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Dave S

I was of course referring to sites concerned with hyperbaric medicine.


132 posted on 06/20/2005 6:30:28 AM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

You're sounding a little nutty there, Betsy.

Where have I said that the Governor or the Senate is nuts or grandstanding? I'll wait while you provide a link.

What you are responding to is a post I made about Dr. H. He has lied, it's provable he lied, and he admitted under oath that he couldn't back up his assertions.

He is NOT a Nobel nominee. He could not provide one shred of documentation under oath that he's helped anyone in Terri's condition.

But keep up the lies. It says more about you than about me.


133 posted on 06/20/2005 6:34:47 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
>> The doctor could back up one single claim he'd made about patients he had helped. Not one.

That does not make sense. Are you seriously claiming that he's never helped anyone? I flatly do not believe it.

134 posted on 06/20/2005 6:37:20 AM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: Peach
I never said you said those things- I was summarizing the points your group has made. I never attributed those statements to you personally.

And you claimed he "lied" because he couldn't provide documents. And that is exactly what has happened to you , right here, on this thread.

Have you found that link yet, or has someone removed it because you were on to them? (LOL!)

See- Why is everyone always lying according to your group??

Everyone, but those people who agree with you, are liars?

WOW! Now there is a great debate strategy!

135 posted on 06/20/2005 6:43:33 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

My group has made points? I don't have a "group".

But if you want to play that game, your group has said that Terri presented in the hospital with broken bones. That MS strangled her, etc. Of course, there's not a shred of proof of that.

And I claimed that Dr. H lied because he couldn't provide documentation. It's indisputable the he couldn't provide documents, just as it's indisputable that he is not a Nobel nominee, no matter how often he says he is.

And what is it that happened to me that proves I lied again? You must have missed the links I've made that prove Dr. H lied. Try reading more carefully next time, okay?

Hammesfahr:
"World Renowned Nobel Prize Nominee" - He is neither of those things.
His reputation among his respectable peers is that of a quack and a fraud.
He has been confronted with this multiple times, and asked to cease and desist even by the congressman who wrote the letter! Yet, he dishonestly persists in claiming to hold that honor.

Upon what does he base this claim?

At the request of the VP of the Chiefs of Police group in Gulfport, FL, his local Congressman, Mike Bilirakis, wrote a letter asking them to consider him for a "Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine."

1. There there is no such thing as a "Peace Prize in Medicine"
2. Bilirakis is not even on the panel of people who can nominate anyone. Nor are Chiefs of Police.
( This is what it takes to nominate someone for the distinction he claims. )

Nevertheless, Dr Hammesfahr, who is an alternative medicine neurologist, continues to knowingly and fraudulently claim to be a Nobel Prize Nominee. He very recently pretended in a KGO radio interview to be surprised to discover that he wasn't an actual Nobel prize nominee, and unaware that his congressman's letter was meaningless.

But, he has been aware for years:

At the 2002 trial, he was asked to bring a the official letter of confirmation he claimed to have in his possession, along with everything else to support his claim. He claimed he forgot to bring it. The facts were very clear then as he was drilled on the subject - including his previous pretense that he would look into it.

He also said he just could not locate the records or remember names or details about the supposedly "numerous" people in Terri's condition he claims to have treated with success. No doubt, had he actually achieved the feat he claims he could achieve with Terri, he would have deserved a Nobel Prize. Too bad he forgot to tell anyone when or to whom he did it. "It" was impossible to get out of him under oath.

Even Glenn Beck, a major supporter of the Schindlers, ended his interview with him, apologizing to his audience for having him on, after he refused to be straightforward.
This "world renowned" doctor, who is listed at quackwatch.com and advertised in the National enquirer, has never published in any respected medical journal (check pubmed). He claims to have had his work "peer reviewed," yet the "peers" are a few friend$ who work with him. http://www.hnionline.com/results_peer_reviewed_and_publis.htm

The Nobel site has a searchable database for its nominees, and the doctor is NOT in it.

http://nobelprize.org/medicine/nomination/database.html



136 posted on 06/20/2005 6:59:33 AM PDT by Peach
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To: T'wit

He claimed to have helped patients like Terri. He couldn't back it up in court.


137 posted on 06/20/2005 7:01:18 AM PDT by Peach
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To: wagglebee; TheTruthess; All
Thank you for this information.

After over 10 years in the medical field, qualifications of a doctor would only be questioned when there is a case of this magnitude - otherwise, it is not the qualifications , rather simply the difference of opinion from one doctor to another.

This is why a second opinion is so often recommended when a diagnosis is made. What one sees and thinks may not be the case with another. This happens frequently among doctors in different practices, and is also as common among those working within the same office.

Therefore, it is not anything new to have doctors with varying opinions regarding Terri.

The bottom line? Facts and direct science in front of your eyes do not lie. If the brain was found to be intact and not mush - then that is fact. If she were swallowing saliva - then clearly her swallowing was not impaired. I now question whether a feeding tube was needed in the first place - or was it perhaps a first step in the plan of her demise?

I strongly urge the Schindler family to take this evidence, and find an Attorney. I also urge all FReepers who were so involved with Terri - by visits, protests, email, calls - whatever the case - to spread this message as far and wide as possible.

We now have reasonable doubt - and probable cause. I rest my case. JK

138 posted on 06/20/2005 7:12:45 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: EveningStar

Amen...


139 posted on 06/20/2005 7:29:58 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: T'wit
Next time please check first before putting it out in public. If it's not true, it's libel and it could reflect badly on Free Republic.

Then what do you think all this bullshit about Michael killing Terri does. It's libelous as well.

As I noted in another post, he was not nominated for a Nobel prize through Nobel channels. He was recommended for one, or for a formal nomination if you wish to put it so. It doesn't make the slightest difference to me whether he was nominated or not.

Asking your congressman to nominate you for an award for which he cant nominate you, doesnt amount to a nomination or a recommendation. It's a scam by a scam artist new age doctor that doesnt spend much time practicing neurology

140 posted on 06/20/2005 7:33:13 AM PDT by Dave S
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