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This should be interesting " The tribe wants title to all non-residential property within a 3,600-acre area of Southampton Town — land it claims it was cheated out of in 1859." This is almost word for word what Indian tribes have used as a legal base for lawsuit in other states including my own.
1 posted on 06/16/2005 10:25:07 AM PDT by RuthannaK
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Only if we can give them NYC and they'll take it. :)


2 posted on 06/16/2005 10:26:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Indians vs Limo Liberals. This I've got to see.

Pass the popcorn.


3 posted on 06/16/2005 10:27:26 AM PDT by ambrose (.)
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This was tried several years ago in Mashpee on Cape Cod and included all land. This dispute clouded all real estate titles and froze sales and development for years.


4 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:00 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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This sounds like Mexico trying to take back Cali AZ New Mex and Texas. They can't even take care of what they have..


5 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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The tribe wants title to all non-residential property within a 3,600-acre area of Southampton Town

Why only non-residential??
They should go for the whole enchilada!

I got plenty of popcorn.

6 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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When I bought my house in 1992, I noticed some language in the title portion that made me uncomfortable. I forget the words now, but it basically said that there was no claim against my house but that if prior claims were enforced (read Indians), I could lose my house. Titles are being written with reclamation as a not impossible event.


7 posted on 06/16/2005 10:29:48 AM PDT by twigs
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The first problem they're going to face is that they aren't recognized by the Federal government as a native tribe, so they have no more standing than a bunch of Indians named Shah, Patel, Rajiv, etc. who claim they need 3,600 acres of land in the Hamptons to build the world's largest 7-11 store.

On a side note, I'm not sure I even want to know how a tribe called the Shiney C#ck Indians got their name.

9 posted on 06/16/2005 10:30:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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And if there is a good treaty basis for the claim, the Indians will win, too.

Tibikak ishkwata!
The night is passing!

Of course, the Indians don't REALLY want all that land. What they want is some of it on which to build the casino, and concessions to allow the casino to be built. The price of making the Indians go away and uncloud a lot of titles of very well-heeled owners will be to simply give them what they want, which is really only a portion of what they have asked for.

What they really want is for the state to get out of the way, let them open and operate their casino, and a plot of land to do it.

The state and the town, of course, characteristically resist everything. Therefore, the club has to be brought out: treaties and Federal courts and lots and lots of private citizens in a tony area facing clouds on title. This usually breathes sense into the states and causes them to come to the bargaining table.

And at the end of the day, the tribe will get its casino of fair terms, with profit sharing with the community. Everyone wins, and we already know the outcome. Why we have to go through the fight every time is a puzzlement.
Usually it is because states are arrogant, and locals in rich areas think that they are going to be able to parley their wealth into political clout to beat the Indians and treaties in Federal courts. It never works.

Sit down, smoke the peace pipe and make a deal now.
It's less expensive and stressful for everyone that way.


10 posted on 06/16/2005 10:32:17 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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they can take a cue from Lt. Governor of California, Bustamonte, who supports violent overthrow for the return of ancestral lands (MeCHA)


11 posted on 06/16/2005 10:32:43 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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Let's just declare war on them and kill them if they don't retract the lawsuit.


12 posted on 06/16/2005 10:33:42 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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This is a good place to share one of the more fascinating web sites I've discovered lately.
Volume II is the heart of the collection, but the other volumes are killer-fascinating stuff also.

Indian Treaties

15 posted on 06/16/2005 10:35:16 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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Maybe Steven Spielberg and TNT should have called their new mini-series "Into the East".


17 posted on 06/16/2005 10:37:00 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Gitmo menu: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd get at Windows on the World — if it still existed.")
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Pay them off. Money is the name of the game.


19 posted on 06/16/2005 10:37:31 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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BWAHAHAHAHA! Love it!


21 posted on 06/16/2005 10:39:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Children don't need counting, because whatever number you have, you never have enough.")
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The Indian population is fortunate that the Neanderthals and other hominidae peoples are not around (at least not in large numbers) to trump their claim on "ancestral lands".


26 posted on 06/16/2005 10:41:54 AM PDT by tucker93
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The "tribe" is not a tribe at all. They are a bunch of people who have no claim to the Shinnecock tribal rights any greater than you or me. Now they want to organize and build a casino, and are using this lawsuit as a way to pressure the local authorities to approve their plan.

This is blackmail, plain and simple. The court should tell these folks to just get stuffed.


30 posted on 06/16/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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In 1640, English colonists entered Shinnecock land. There they met peaceful, resourceful people who had been in the same geographical area for thousands of years. The Shinnecocks' land extended eastward to the Easthampton town line and westward to the Brookhaven town line, with the Atlantic Ocean to the south and Peconic Bay to the north.

In a gesture of friendliness, the Shinnecocks parceled out eight square miles of land to the settlers. Numerous unfair land transactions had by the 1850s reduced the tribe's holdings to its present eight hundred acres. A legislative act in 1859 designated this small neck of land as the Shinnecock Indian Reservation. It is located two miles west of the village of Southampton, New York, in Suffolk County.


39 posted on 06/16/2005 10:51:36 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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This is great! I hope all those limousine liberals do the right thing and pay restitution to those poor persecuted (for centuries) Native Americans. It's just the right thing to do ...


43 posted on 06/16/2005 11:02:12 AM PDT by Lorianne
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This ought to be good. The Indians against Teddy!


44 posted on 06/16/2005 11:03:20 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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what's the status of limitations on grand theft? pretty sure it's less than 100+ years...


47 posted on 06/16/2005 11:06:40 AM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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