You set down the gauntlet. I will accept it. So please don't join the others who picked up their toys and fled the forum. I don't want that. I want to confront your illogic with the same passion you had and not hear later that you ran away, because a lot of people had told me of that happening. Funny thing. Death trolls said a lot of nasty things about us, and we stayed, because we don't allow negativity to drive us away.
Negativity is the root of death. Hope is the root of life. "Might recover." That's hope. "Signs of consciousness." That's hope. "Can't." That's the Boortz crowd.
"You people are not to be believed. Flame me after this but you really should start getting your minds opened up to the truth."
It's amazing how much truth Boortz has been ignoring when he preaches death. It's all founded on ignoring what wasn't accepted by Greer. 'Only Greer knows what's best', and guess what? Greer should have recused himself.
"The truth is this: The autopsy shows Terri was brain dead, Read page 35, it sums it up nicely. She was also Cortically blind, as in she could not see."
First off, we don't kill people for being blind. Whether you know it or not, you and your's tout the claim of blindness in a vain effort to lower her 'quality of life' value. Please ask yourself why that is important to note.
Secondly, I'm just a layman here, but what does bleeding from the eye sockets due to dehydration do to someone's sight? I don't know, of course, but it seems logical to me that Greer's court order might have destroyed her vision.
Thirdly: Why didn't the medical examiner allow a witness? Surely he would have liked corroberation of such a controversial proceedure. Surely he didn't want to ask people to trust him and him alone, which would haunt him for the rest of his life.
Fourthly: I shouldn't believe all those nurses who blew the whistle? I shouldn't believe my own lying ears? Why didn't the judges investigate that tape? I'll tell you why. They wanted her dead and buried. They wanted that tape forgotten. It won't be. You might as well forget it. I realize that tape may have been a sham. But how can I be certain? Why should I assume then or now that those people were conspiring to make a phoney tape since the judges never bothered to disprove it?
I think you should face the truth: the judges who failed to investigate that tape should be removed from the bench, and if justice were to mean anything in this country, those judges should somehow be sued for gross neglect leading to wrongful death.
"She also couldn't swallow."
Ever hear of a thing called jello? Ever consider an ice cube? Ever consider the concept of 'dissolving'? Death trolls are so quick to say 'hopeless'. It's just like I said. Negativity spurs the death trolls. Hope inspires life.
'All the hype about nurses feeding her, about her responding to stimuli and following balloons with her eyes, were just that: HYPE."'
All words are just 'hype' according to your logic. That would include your own 'hype'.
"The truth is most of you don't care what was wrong with her"
Man your 'hype' has that backwards! The truth is the death trolls don't care what may have been RIGHT about her! Such negativity! We said, things MIGHT be RIGHT about her. You say with such certainty that things were all wrong, when the hype [actual hype this time] about bolemia and a heart attack by the death trolls was debunked. How much more of what they threw out can be debunked?
Keep trying to find what is wrong with people, keep ignoring any hopes, and soon you will fall down the same trap that Holland and England are falling down, today. Remember the baby that was aborted for having a mouth defect? In jolly, old England! That is the future path that smells so rosy to some today with Euthanasia. How can I not say this? Killing unborn based on lip defects is falling in the line of nazi Eugenics. It's not Eugenics to call for Terri's death, granted. But it opens the door for Eugenics, along with assisted suicide for the menally ill, even for the depressed.
"...you think it was wrong to pull her feeding tube even if that was what she wanted."
Michael didn't even know what she wanted, according to a deposition. He said so, himself, and was quoted saying so in that deposition. He lied later on. Death trolls are so eager to end the lives of the helpless, it amazes me. In a he-said-she-said matter, do we err on the side of death?
"If she had left a written will with those wishes you would still call it murder."
Oh I get it now! You read minds! You read Terri's mind, and now you are reading my mind! /sarcasm
"This is your opinion and you are entitled to it and to state here on this forum and others, but state it truthfully please."
Get your facts straight before getting on your high horse. Judge Greer was unable to see a lot of potential evidence, BTW. He's legally blind. Why didn't he recuse himself? This was a life-and-death decision, and he was not capable of seeing the evidence for himself, or sizing up the body language of the witnesses. It's like those blind people trying to run a daycare center.
Yet the judiciary rallied around this fool judge as though the fate of the free world depended on vindicating him. He also had financial ties with this hospice. But he didn't recuse himself. And Michael's lawyer has written some very interesting things in his book. Fascinating man.
"Don't lie about the autopsy. It shows what Mike had said all along, Terri was in PVS plus she was blind."
What autopsy? The one that was done in secret? What is that good for? If he wasn't willing to bring sunshine to this proceedure, obviously, he had something to hide. And BTW, you mentioned 'blind' again. It's so important to make it look like her life wasn't worth living. Please ask yourself, and I do believe you were motivated subconsciously, why it's important to say that she was blind, and then to emphasize it again? That is an important question to ask yourself.
"She was not aware of her suroundings, she did not say I WAAAAAA as her parents lawyer tried to claim."
Were you in the room? How do you know? They claimed it was her voice, and now we will never know, because the judges left that potential evidence alone. So your claim will never be vindicated, will it? Because the judges allowed that to fester. Even if it were a hoax, the judges set their own folly in concrete. And you are stuck defending the indefensible. Why choose to put yourself in such an absurd position?
'I know some of you will blast me here and call me a "member of the cult of death". I am pro-life, I hate and abhor abortions, but I also hate to see people suffer needlessly.'
You are pro-life, but you bought the cynicism of the death trolls. They erred on the side of death. It's that simple. And man, did they err!
"If you really cared for Terri, you would be glad she has moved on, however you don't care for Terri, you care about being right and about keeping anyone alive no matter how awful their condition. Flame away."
You have a very limited definition of caring. And of course you realize that even if her situation were more hopeless than her family thought, even if it's as bad as you say it is, there is such a thing as a miracle. Miracles happen all the time. Everywhere.
There's a bitter old lady I used to work with. I met her just a month ago. She had a terrible grudge against my former boss. She ended up getting cancer. As you could imagine, she prayed. When the doctor opened her up to remove it, the cancer was gone. Poof. Gone. That isn't the first miracle I've heard about. I wasn't a bit surprised, even said it for her. She said, "And then he cut me open..."
I said, "And God healed you."
She looked stunned that I knew where she was going. I've heard so many testimonies like that, I could tell by her speech pattern.
And then she had a greater miracle. She was no longer bitter. She was grateful for a chance to live, even though she's pretty old. She'll only live a few more years. But that's the beauty of miracles. When Dr. God heals your body, it's not uncommon for your soul to heal as well.
Our nation's soul needs healing. People are too quick to give up on life, to give up hope. We put too much faith in machines, in proceedures, in institutions. Without God, eventually, none of that will help us. Apathy is causing people to mess up at hospitals, to lie in order to 'smooth things over', to put hydraulic fluid in the wrong container, and to MISDIAGNOSE a patient's condition.
Only through submission to God will those trends reverse. But submission to hedonism will continue to spread apathy across our nation.
What I'm getting at is that even atheists should shut up and encourage faith, encourage hope. Why? Because a doctor or nurse filled with true faith is much less apathetic than some hedonist who's just going through the motions.
This issue over Terri is a path that leads to all manner of truth. I hope I didn't run you away. I don't want someone private messaging me that 'calex59 fled from the hostile jabs'.
Have you ever heard of aspiration pneumonia?
I concur with every word you write here.
What a sterling, spirit inspired defense of your position.
Thank you for providing a succint rebuttal to so much speculation.
Part of the problem is that we have removed Biblical wisdom from our culture. 1Co 15:26 -"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" informs us that death is an enemy, if not THE enemy. The "public" has been mistaught by lying pulpiteers about the nature of death.
That is at least part of the reason why the secularist judges could have their way without a sneeze. Let them all reap what they have sown.
Excellent post.
Wow! Not a flame, but a beacon of light to shine on the truth. Even so, many will refuse to see it. It's is exactly as you say, their emphasis is on death not life, Their glasses are half empty, yours is half full!