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Terri Schiavo Autopsy: Manner of Death 'Undetermined'
CNSNews.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 06/15/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by veronica

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To: veronica

If she didn't starve to death, then how did she die?


701 posted on 06/16/2005 8:01:33 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: jwalsh07
If I encourage you to break a contract, any contract, and you break it the fact that I encouraged you to break it has no bearing on the fact that you have liability for breaking a contract.

It does and it doesn't. Try "tortious interference". ;)

702 posted on 06/16/2005 8:04:43 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: blueriver

Wow - great catch. On FR someone always see through to the truth behind the stupidity.

Her years of being cared for and no one ever mentioned she was blind. And the diagnosis of PVS was based not even knowing this primary fact.


703 posted on 06/16/2005 8:06:14 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: RS
... as much as sham as declaring her NOT PVS based on watching selected videos of her following objects with those blind eyes ?

Lets not forget that it was the declaration of her being PVS that made it legal to kill her. So of the two declarations the declaration the SHE WAS PVS was key.

704 posted on 06/16/2005 8:08:11 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: jwalsh07; Gondring

"Do you think that just the marriage contract can be broken with impunity or any ole contract?"

You can violate the terms of ANY contract with impunity, as long as the other party to it does not complain, and even then, the contract is not broken until the court says so.


If this were not true, there would be people who are now single because their spouse cheated, many who never knew it.

Imagine a widow who finds out she's been living in sin with
a "husband" who "broke their contract" 40 years ago - and now she can't get his Social Security.


705 posted on 06/16/2005 8:08:20 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: blueriver

"... and the link showing that this was based on her lack of visual cues is where ? "


706 posted on 06/16/2005 8:10:00 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: ClancyJ

"Her years of being cared for and no one ever mentioned she was blind. And the diagnosis of PVS was based not even knowing this primary fact. "

Actually, it was the people saying she was NOT PVS were the ones trying to do so based on her supposed response to visual stimuli. Right?

It was the people who believed she WAS indeed PVS that had said from the beginning that she DOES NOT RESPOND to visual stimuli.

Lets not get it backwards.


707 posted on 06/16/2005 8:14:20 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: RS
So who do you go with ? The spouse who claims to be following her wishes, or the parents who say they don't care what her wishes are ?

Exactly.

708 posted on 06/16/2005 8:16:04 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: general_re

You'll have to enlighten me. I can see how the person who interferes in the contract may incur liability but I can't see how the contractor eludes liability. Remember I am but an egg where the law is concerned. Now golf is another matter.


709 posted on 06/16/2005 8:17:32 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
If I encourage you to break a contract, any contract, and you break it the fact that I encouraged you to break it has no bearing on the fact that you have liability for breaking a contract.

It does have bearing, though, since the Schindlers encouraged him to 'break the contract', and then tried to use his 'breaking of the contract' as a reason to claim he was conflicted and thus should not have the right to make medical decisions on Terri's behalf.

710 posted on 06/16/2005 8:20:40 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: jwalsh07
It doesn't absolve me for breaking the contract, but it puts others on the hook too - my liability might very well be lessened by the fact that others share responsibility.

And I have a kid who's starting golf lessons, so maybe you're available on weekends this summer? ;)

711 posted on 06/16/2005 8:23:42 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: RS
You can violate the terms of ANY contract with impunity, as long as the other party to it does not complain, and even then, the contract is not broken until the court says so.

Not quite. Killing your spouse violates the contract even though the spouse can never complain. And you will lose your spousal rights to control your spouses estate because you violated the marriage contract. But there are those who think violtaing contracts is a trivial matter, you one of those?

If this were not true, there would be people who are now single because their spouse cheated, many who never knew it.

Your statement was not true, period, cheating and forgiving spouses not withstanding.

Imagine a widow who finds out she's been living in sin with a "husband" who "broke their contract" 40 years ago - and now she can't get his Social Security.

Imagine a husband who attempts to murder his wife, he fails at the attempt to murder but succeeds in damaging his wife to the point she can not remember or relate the attack. He takes up with another woman and starts a family. He eyeballs the assets of the old wife and petitions the state to put her out of her misery to access those assets and get on with his new life.. The state complies. Imagine that.

712 posted on 06/16/2005 8:24:59 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: MEGoody

The manner of death is different from the cause of death. The manner of death is unknown. The cause of death is dehydration.


713 posted on 06/16/2005 8:26:06 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: robertpaulsen
Ah! I see. YOU get to say when man can kill you, but not Terri. Why is that?

Because she is dead - wake up.

714 posted on 06/16/2005 8:26:29 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: malakhi

"It does have bearing, though, since the Schindlers encouraged him to 'break the contract', and then tried to use his 'breaking of the contract' as a reason to claim he was conflicted and thus should not have the right to make medical decisions on Terri's behalf."


Good point, especially in light of the "benefit" they would receive by him violating the contract, and possibly having it broken.


715 posted on 06/16/2005 8:26:57 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: general_re
General, I am always available to play golf. A teacher I'm not, more a gambler, with strokes of course. :-}

I hope your son enjoys it, I know I do and I say that as an ex jock who used to ridicule the sport until I got hooked at the age of 46.

716 posted on 06/16/2005 8:28:11 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: malakhi
It does have bearing, though, since the Schindlers encouraged him to 'break the contract', and then tried to use his 'breaking of the contract' as a reason to claim he was conflicted and thus should not have the right to make medical decisions on Terri's behalf.

The 2nd DCA said the Schindlers, the parents, were conflicted as well. Seems to me that according to Florida law the next in line for guardianship is TS's brother and sister, not the state.

717 posted on 06/16/2005 8:31:29 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

In this country you have to be PROVEN guilty, which is why accusations and suspicions brought up a decade later by people who would stand to benefit are simply not given a lot of credence.


718 posted on 06/16/2005 8:33:18 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Good post. Hope some can understand the simple thing of love that wishes to help rather than allow a man to freely kill their daughter BASED ON HIS MEMORY OF A STATEMENT SUPPOSEDLY MADE BY TERRI. Only remembered AFTER he received the malpractice settlement which was intended to care for Terri the rest of her life - not to pay for efforts to kill her. Another point that the judge just skirted over in his efforts to help Michael.

Thought judges were to be impartial. Thought both sides were to be treated equally - but that is another point in this 15 year tragedy.


719 posted on 06/16/2005 8:34:17 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: jwalsh07
Imagine a husband who attempts to murder his wife, he fails at the attempt to murder but succeeds in damaging his wife to the point she can not remember or relate the attack. He takes up with another woman and starts a family. He eyeballs the assets of the old wife and petitions the state to put her out of her misery to access those assets and get on with his new life.. The state complies. Imagine that.

Imagine somebody making such a claim too explicitly and getting sued for libel.

720 posted on 06/16/2005 8:36:29 AM PDT by malakhi
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