Posted on 06/15/2005 12:27:19 PM PDT by veronica
Night! Sleep tight!
As I have always stated, I believe she suffered from "Shaken Adult syndrome"---or perhaps a pillow over her face!
I do enjoy talking with adults, so hopefully the children will be in bed next time. LOL You sleep well now, and I'll see ya 'round. :)
They tried to save her from a 13 day horror of being dehydrated to death you stupid twit.
Twit says, the party's over. Your point of view did not prevail. You lost. Get over it. Soon there will be no more of these threads, as the cause celebre will be gone and Terri is now where she should be, RIP.
You know - I really admire your sympathy for the pain of others - if their name is Michael. We know, we know - Terri was vegetable.
And I admire your sympathy for Michael whom you all accused of murder. What goes around comes around. Time to let go, sweety.
I, and almost every prominent Conservative of note and heart and thought, as well as church leaders across the board--from Roman Cathoic to Judaism to Protestant to Episcopalian, feel that the death sentence that was ordered on a defenseless, innocent, unable to speak for herself, Roman Catholic Terri, comletely based on nothing more than hearsay, remembered not until seven years after the fact and the monies banked by Michael, falls under the "First do no harm" Hippocratic. Terri was killed without the ORDERED (and nose-thumbed,) de novo hearing on the case. Compared to criminals convicted of capital punishment, she was treated like a dog with regards to her rights as an American citizen and consideration and Congress handed-down (ignored) order. Her death was horrible and inhumane and unspeakable in this day and age. She was not dying. There was NOTHING in writing stating her "wishes." In life and death matters, if we do not err on the side of life, absent all but hearsay (in which Michael contradicted himself,) what in the WORLD have we become? First do no harm.
There was a great piece and link posted last week by a FReeper in which all the quotes of the leaders of the different churches addressed the killing of Terri, and offered their thoughts and condemnations (in condemnation,)on the atrocity (including our late Jon Paul the Great and Pope Benedict. I will get it for you tomorrow and post it. It's powerful. And It's across the board.
This issue is an issue of right versus wrong.
Every menber of a decent society is right in believing that it is wrong to starve and dehydrate to death a fellow human being.
Have a good night and I will talk to you tomorrow. Take care.
I'm now REALLY off to bed. My eyes are starting to cross. ;-)
And Jon=John. I wouldn't have taken the time to make the correction had he not been such a giant of a man here on Earth. I miss him and I know that you do too. Nite-Nite.
What is it that makes you hate the disabled to the point that you would support such a hideous thing as what was done to Terri?. It was a 13 day slow murder of a helpless innocent person. Terri's "crime" was that she depended on others for her care.
I suppose you would like all people who depend on others for their care to be exterminated?
Could you please PING me when you post it? Thanks.
What is it that makes you hate the disabled to the point that you would support such a hideous thing as what was done to Terri?.
She wasn't disabled. She was braindead. You just can't accept that concept. C'est la vie. And as for kindness, none of you had any for Michael Schiavo and what he went through. Unless you consider calling him a murderer kindness. And I just love the "Christian" aspect that so many of you hide behind. For a religion that portrays heaven as the place to be, better than life on earth, it amazes me how you didn't want Terri to be allowed to die and go to heaven. Although, in actuality she was dead way back when, and her soul left the shell of her body then.
So, basically, you were just trying to keep alive what was just a zombie, no there there. The good part of Terri had gone to heaven, her soul; you were just propping up an empty shell. So much for heaven being the place to get to sooner than later. Afraid of death, are you?
** Please reread my sentence. I tried to make that same point with my use of "OR"
"Living wills are the way to go, IF a person does not want to be kept alive by feeding tubes or by extraordinary means."
I know, I know...you keep posting the link to the bone scan interpretation, but what about the link to the later testimony by the doctor who did it? You know, where it's refuted and points out that it was wrong.
"You are prevaricating."
More like rumor monger, see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423508/reply?c=334
Eagle Mama, why haven't you acted to have this obviously incompetent person removed from his job if he's as bad as you assert? Are you a Dr.?
Let me clue you in... there are many lies and distortions being told on the anti-Schiavo side. I don't know if the Schindlers initiated them or what, but one of them is about these "nurses" and late-breaking depositions.
This was NOT A NURSE who made this claim...this was a NURSE'S ASSISTANT. She doesn't have the medical training necessary to tell the difference between actual swallowing and aspiration. And it's well known that saliva swallowing is common in PVS patients. There's a difference between the oral swallowing and the pharyngeal swallowing reflex...the former is voluntary, and the latter is involuntary. These are required to move a bolus to the esophagus...but saliva can make it down in small amounts okay.
IANAP.
Or a nobody politician writes a letter that you should get the Nobel prize!
You're not being asked to provide the terms of the settlement...you're just being asked to substantiate your claim, which--if real--should easily be substantiated by court filings that are not sealed.
Your hemming and hawing make me believe this is a made-up story. If it's not, provide the details (name, for example) so we can all see you aren't just jumping on the "make up anything for the Schindlers" bandwagon.
She was disabled. She had severe brain damage. She was viscously killed, by being slowly dehydrated to death, in front of her mother and father, who only wanted to take her home and care for her. There were cops in the room to make sure that her mom/dad, who raised her from a baby, couldn't put even one drop of water on her drying cracked lips. They weren't "allowed" to comfort their dying daughter. That's just sick. (though she wasn't "dying" until the hospice stopped giving her food and water).
The Hospice, police department, judges and lawyers who let this happen, and any FReepers who supported it, are a disgrace.( This was done based on the hearsay testimony of her adulterous husband, who didn't remember, until 7 years later and a monetary award for her therapy- (that was not provided) his wifes "wishes"?)
She smiled at seeing her mother and family. She was showing some response all the way to the end- that's not brain dead.. unless you're going to say that the priests and others who visited her all the way to the end were lying about what they saw. She seems to have had some function, even if it wasn't enough to allow her to stay alive, according to you. Only 100% healthy people get to live in your world.
She was never given a chance to live. She was never given the proper tests, not even a swallow test.The tests were not allowed, that might have saved her life, or, might have proved she was "brain dead" as you say. No one wanted to be sure that she was "brain dead" before they murdered her. She wasn't even given the chance to see if she could learn to swallow. Oh, and she was not "allowed" to be seen in public. She was not "allowed " to be photographed or filmed. No reporter was "allowed" to see her. She was kept under very tight control. She's been cremated, no tests or independent results are possible .( No judge should be able to deny a test, when someone's life is at stake.)
Now the Dr. Thugmartin, who refused to have his autopsy overseen by another, comes out with his autopsy "results". I don't buy it.
Once again, just like in everything else connected to this case, something was denied/covered up/refused. That's all Terri's case is- denials, refusals to test, cover ups and sealed records. I don't believe this "report". I have no reason to believe it. It was not independently reviewed. In fact Felos wanted his ex-wife to give the report. She also, along with everyone else in the case ,is either pro euthanasia, or belongs to the kill-the-disabled-save-the-world religion of SScientology.
By the way, I was wondering who else you think should be exterminated. Do you think kids with cancer should be snuffed out? After all, what "quality of life" do they have? They live in almost constant pain. They can't do what healthy children can do. Their treatment is expensive. They will probably die anyway- Shall we kill them? Have you seen the story about the little girl Alex- of Alex's Lemonade Stand? She only lived to be 8. Her parents spent a fortune trying to keep her alive. Maybe they shouldn't have bothered?
How about the mentally retarded. Should they be killed? Burn victims have a lower quality of life- How about the blind, deaf? I'm not kidding either. I want an answer to these questions from you. Have you ever spent any time in the company of a disabled person or persons?
Maybe you need to make an effort to educate yourself about people who live with disabilities, cognitive , or neurological disorders in particular, before you go spouting off about "brain dead" and "zombie".
While your at it go find someone who actually has a feeding tube, so you can learn something about it. Seems to me, that you don't know jack about what you're talking about. Afraid of the disabled are you?
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