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A Virus Like None Other Before it
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 14 June 2005 | Roger Bate

Posted on 06/14/2005 5:30:24 PM PDT by Voice in your head

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To: Alia
hmmmmmmm - I remember a great deal of talk about Haiti being the source, I just never read or heard that AIDS originated in the US.
21 posted on 06/14/2005 6:15:16 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: spetznaz
how come most of the dead have been between the ages of 15-49?

   I don't think there are many old people in Africa. I did a google search and found an age distribution table.
22 posted on 06/14/2005 6:15:29 PM PDT by Maurice Tift
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Riddle me this: Why are there so many AIDS victims, but not Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and Syphilis victims? I guess its politically correct to be a turd-burglar.


23 posted on 06/14/2005 6:16:30 PM PDT by FNG
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To: spetznaz
And while I agree with you that many governments are using this as a political crutch, I also know that it is not due to 'malaria' or 'poor water.'

Would it be indelicate to ask what you think it is due to?

24 posted on 06/14/2005 6:16:54 PM PDT by Alia
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To: spetznaz

May I ask where you are from?


25 posted on 06/14/2005 6:17:14 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Zacs Mom
Wow. And I had never heard of "point of origin" as Haiti!

Before the funding in CA got squared away.. there was so much talk about "the monkey disease" (that AIDS was spread from monkeys to humans). Oh yes, back then, serious articles.. discussing HOW the disease may have spread from monkeys to humans.

26 posted on 06/14/2005 6:20:26 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Zacs Mom
CDC did nothing to quarantine this incurable viral infection early on - no one in national leadership has ever raised this question
elementary vector control is you quarantine disease vectors if you have no cure for communicable disease.
the Holocaust of HIV is directly related to sexual deviants who have never showed remorse for it's spread and to this day continue with sexual acts that insure it's spread..oh sorry hate speech.
27 posted on 06/14/2005 6:20:38 PM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (mark rich, s burger,flight 800, waco,cbs's national guard-just forget thats the game)
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To: blueblazes

Check my homepage.


28 posted on 06/14/2005 6:24:46 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Voice in your head

Every scientific report I have read points to the origin of the HIV virus as being a mutation from Chimpanzees/Apes native to Africa that somehow crossed species lines into humans...I have never heard of any evidence that HIV/AIDS originated in the US.

Is the author confusing "first diagnoses" and "origin"?

It would make sense that the most developed medical care system would 'first diagnose' the problem...but that is a far cry from 'it originated' here.


29 posted on 06/14/2005 6:26:42 PM PDT by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: spetznaz

Excellent, thank you. I'm sure you bring a lot of first hand info to our discussions and that's most welcome.


30 posted on 06/14/2005 6:27:20 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Having it be a crime to give out the names of the infected is an unusually nasty kind of politics. It says omething about where some perverts are skulking...


31 posted on 06/14/2005 6:27:31 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: spetznaz
If it is due to malaria, TB and water-borne organisms, then how come most of the dead have been between the ages of 15-49? How come in the hardest hit areas (eg Uganda before they started intensive, and highly successful, abstinence/sex-ed programs ....and South Africa currently, which is still embroiled in a serious crisis) that many of the survivors are the very young and the very old? How come, using Uganda as an exampe again, there were whole villages where the only people present were children been taken care of by their grandparents?

In the case of malaria, TB, and waterborne -- most of the dead comprise those who've not been innoculated through the various programs of "AIDE" that have been going on in Africa (say, from America) for as long as I can recall?

32 posted on 06/14/2005 6:27:55 PM PDT by Alia
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To: spetznaz
I also know that it is not due to 'malaria' or 'poor water.'

And I am equally certain that it is not caused by 'HIV' retroviral infection.

The truth is that attributin it to 'malairia' and 'poor water' is a grotesque oversimplification of the actual position of those who attribute African 'AIDS' to cause(s) other than HIV infection. Basically our position is that there is no epidemiological evidence for any superpositioned cause for any of the diseases found in Africa. They are just what they always were.

33 posted on 06/14/2005 6:29:44 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Alia
"the case of malaria, TB, and waterborne -- most of the dead comprise those who've not been innoculated through the various programs of "AIDE" that have been going on in Africa (say, from America) for as long as I can recall?"

There is no vaccination for those diseases TB, malaria.
What are you talking about?
34 posted on 06/14/2005 6:30:43 PM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (mark rich, s burger,flight 800, waco,cbs's national guard-just forget thats the game)
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To: Voice in your head
As the authors point out: “The HIV/AIDS epidemic began as a localized outbreak in California and New York (not in east Africa, as claimed)

If true, then it is pretty clear that AIDS is the gay community's gift to mankind. Not a lot of wild monkeys roaming around the Bay Area and New York.

35 posted on 06/14/2005 6:32:53 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Ethrane
It would make sense that the most developed medical care system would 'first diagnose' the problem...but that is a far cry from 'it originated' here.

Absolutely correct.

But there isn't any good reason to suppose that this virus recently jumped from apes to man.

All the epidemiology indicates that HIV is a very old infection in man; hundreds or thousands of years old, in fact. All evidence points to the conclusion that HIV is a benign passenger retrovirus, just like many other similar virii that have been hitchhiking in man since time immemorial.

36 posted on 06/14/2005 6:34:30 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ConsentofGoverned
Yes, there is innoculation (vaccine) against TB. My own kids had those. Then, there are also anti-malaria agents should one acquire malaria.

Speznetz asked a good question. He obviously has some insight into what causes the "age gap". I was speculating as to a reason why the age gap. I'm hoping he'll provide more insight.

37 posted on 06/14/2005 6:39:28 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Zacs Mom

Here's a couple of articles that I find very informative.

http://www.fumento.com/disease/aids2005.html
http://gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=1035


38 posted on 06/14/2005 6:42:22 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Alia
Would it be indelicate to ask what you think it is due to?

I feel like giving a very simple answer. The word ‘Mu.’ But since this is not a philosophical discussion (and I am unsure how many would be willing to delve into logical/illogical communicative entanglements), I will strive towards a different answer. However I have noticed that every now and then this type of thread pops up ….where it is either trying to assert that AIDS does not exist, or that it is solely due to homosexuality throughout the world (including the 3rd world). And there have been some interesting ‘facts’ to back up both assertions, some even heading into the ludicrous (one of the more interesting is when some dude, belonging to the ‘it is all due to gay sex’ camp started quoting ‘scientific research’ that a simple search proved to actually be from some magazine that also debated psychic water dousing and UFO abductions, and a ‘scientist’ who was actually a member of the Brahma Kumaris cult).

But I haven’t answered your question now, have I? Let me be political and try to avoid all the semantic snares and encapsulation that seem to trigger automatic responses in some freepers. Thus the following is what I think it is (and you can quote me): It is due to a weird - probably extra-terrestrial - outbreak of Malaria, Typhoid and TB, which may very well be related to homosexuality (since, as certain Freepers have said, Africans practice 'birth control by having anal sex' ....yep, some genius actually said that even though he had never set foot there ..that was his opinion and yet he stated it as fact), and that only targets people between the ages of 15-49. It also, for some cryptic reason, ignores the very young and the very old, thus implying that the ‘new’ Malaria/Typhoid/TB (from here on I shall refer to it as MTT) is very different from the old version. And not only that, but several African countries (Kenya and South Africa for example) always test orphans from parents who died from AIDS …I mean who died from MTT ….and those orphans have antibodies that show up in AIDS – MTT – tests. The reason for all the checkups in orphans is because with proper care and drug regimen (which is why it only takes part in the richer countries) some of the kids can sero-reverse into negative test, as long as it is started when they are tots. So, I conclusion, the issue is due to a weird case of MTT, which is so strange as to be probably extra-terrestrial, and this MTT is hitting adults hard. Uganda managed to stop the dire straits they were in through educating people about abstinence and sexual health …I meant about preventing mosquitoes, dirty water and pulmonary disease since we are talking about MTT …and Uganda has literally saved itself. Southern Africa (eg South Africa, Zimbabwe etc) has not been able to achieve similar success due to many politicians refusing to recognize that AIDS – I mean MTT – exists, and they claim that it is due to diseases like malaria, or due to poor dietary health, and thus refuse to institute programs like the ones Uganda implemented. Thus I blame the weird case of MTT.

Hopefully that will satisfy all parties since i have noticed people have issues with semantics. Maybe by calling it 'exotic MTT' everyone is happy.

39 posted on 06/14/2005 6:42:52 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: spetznaz
Spetznez... would you be thinking (in re the "age gap") of something along the lines of this website? The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot ??

Between the years 1966-1977, almost 100 million Blacks living in Central Africa were injected by the WHO. Scientists now speculate that the smallpox vaccine might have awakened a "dormant" AIDS virus infection on the continent.

40 posted on 06/14/2005 6:45:42 PM PDT by Alia
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