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A Virus Like None Other Before it
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 14 June 2005 | Roger Bate

Posted on 06/14/2005 5:30:24 PM PDT by Voice in your head

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To: ConsentofGoverned
You can argue with the CDC, not me.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/faqs/qa.htm

61 posted on 06/14/2005 7:25:49 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
I only recently posted on my eyewitness account of "what went down in SF" in re gay politics and this "disease". And now it has spread, massively: "Everyone is subject to AIDS". Yeah. "It's not only a gay disease." It could have been addressed in SF and NY; had "politiking" not seized control over solid research and information.

And Let's not forget Jocelyn Elders and the entire "tolerance/sexual" lobbies asserting CONDOMS would STAVE OFF AIDS. Like they knew? They didn't.

62 posted on 06/14/2005 7:26:53 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
I read Michael Fumento's "Myth of Heterosexual Aids"

Recently, I visited the Focus on the Family web site. They have links explaining among other things that homosexual activists overstate the fraction of the population that is homosexual. They claim 10%; the best studies indicate 1-3%. But the web site also had a link to a recent article by Fumento asserting that the reason HIV/AIDS is so prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa is that a large fraction of African men have sex with men. Perhaps, I thought to myself, the gay activisits are right, and 10% of the population is gay (a "normal and healthy human sexual variation" as the activists would say). Or, just maybe Fumento is wrong. HIV can spread among populations of highly promiscuous heterosexuals, especially in regions where hygiene is poor, which is an accurate characterization of sub-Saharan African sexual behavior.

The truth of the matter is this: The risk of heterosexual AIDS in this country is still relatively small. (Not zero, but small.) But we know that anal sex is dangerous, we know that promiscuity is dangerous, and we know the only safe and moral path is abstinence before marriage, and monogamy in marriage.

63 posted on 06/14/2005 7:28:39 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: Voice in your head

BRING BACK DDT!

That will help fight malaria.


64 posted on 06/14/2005 7:30:40 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: Alia
I've not read the book and I only came across both of these links in a post on FR a few weeks ago. I don't remember which Freeper had posted them, but whoever it is has a wealth of links and info on this subject.

Have you read this one? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034938/posts

Lots of good info here too.

65 posted on 06/14/2005 7:31:17 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: megatherium
we know the only safe and moral path is abstinence before marriage, and monogamy in marriage.

Agreed. I find it ironic, however, that gay and liberal politicians wishing to "turn this into a equal opportunity" disease.. have wielded AIDS into the best reasons to be especially sexually circumspect and monogamous. There goes the bulk of the libertine age of "free love"....

However, I with purpose discluded the word "marriage" in re the above. Why? Tooo many years of gay politicians saying that if gays could be married, they'd then be monogamous. I saw that as political emotional blackmail even waaaay back then.

66 posted on 06/14/2005 7:34:17 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Zacs Mom

I don't know. It's a good question.


67 posted on 06/14/2005 7:36:57 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Maynard G. Krebbs

Wow, lots and lots of data. Thank you for the referral!


68 posted on 06/14/2005 7:38:52 PM PDT by Alia
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To: spetznaz
And while I agree with you that many governments are using this as a political crutch, I also know that it is not due to 'malaria' or 'poor water.'

I think it is Ken Alibek's and Biopreparat's work to destabilize the West with a viral bioweapon and it backfired

/anti communist paranoia :)

69 posted on 06/14/2005 7:43:31 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("THE REDNECK PROBLEM" ..... we prefer the term, "Agro-Americans")
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To: Alia

AIDS has been politicized since the beginning. Many have forgotten that it was originally known as GRIDS, but was soon changed to AIDS in an effort to be more PC.


70 posted on 06/14/2005 7:47:40 PM PDT by Right Angler
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To: megatherium

re. the "Factsheet":

I read it.

It is a mere apologia for all the mistaken assumptions and wrongheaded hypotheses that continue to plague this issue and cripple intelligent discussion, and are repeated unashamedly in the document as if they were true.

I am tempted to call it pitiful, but that is too benign a term. It is actually shameful that such a misleading and deceitful document could be produced with funding that ultimately comes from taxpayers.

For shame.


71 posted on 06/14/2005 7:50:25 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: InterceptPoint
How can any intelligent person read that sentence and not see that the whole HIV=AIDS game is just a giant scam? They are now claiming that HIV "causes" (I guess that is what 'AIDS-qualifiying' means) cancer. If this is science then I'm a duck.

Good post. I like people whom deal in logic instead of emotion. Good home page also!

72 posted on 06/14/2005 7:50:45 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: Alia

Oh yeah. The gay men's hepatitus study in NY that was secretly run by the CIA to A) test the AIDS virus and/or B) decimate the gay population. Presumably to make the world safe for homophobes.

Again, extremely sad. Another diversion from the rational ways of dealing with the disease. Many unnecessary deaths.


73 posted on 06/14/2005 7:51:00 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Alia

Oh yes, back then, serious articles.. discussing HOW the disease may have spread from monkeys to humans.



Oh yes, I was in HS. I remember vividly how "serious" our discussions were on the monkey how subject. LOL


74 posted on 06/14/2005 7:55:37 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: John Valentine
A scan of the Duesberg paper discloses various errors. For example, they assert that AIDS is associated with malnutrition in Africa; in fact, urban professionals have been hard hit in certain countries in Africa. The tone of the paper is strident, and it ends with the argument that the peer-review process is corrupt. I am not impressed.

I do not understand why Duesberg cannot let the AIDS denialist theory go. I suspect it is because of his key role in retroviral research -- perhaps he cannot believe a retrovirus can do this kind of damage. It certainly can: It is of course unethical to prove HIV is the cause of AIDS by injecting a healthy volunteer with the virus. But very similar viruses cause similar diseases in apes and cats, and this has been shown by doing the obvious experiments.

AIDS denialists need to consider what they are doing: Duesberg is asserting that antiviral medicines are part of the cause of AIDS. Given the strong evidence that these medicines are extending lives, it is terrible to suggest to patients to not take these. I remember vividly what happened in the mid 1990s, when the protease inhibitors first appears: people started to talk about the Lazarus effect -- desperately sick people staged dramatic recoveries. I myself have met people who have had this happen.

Please do not stake your own health on the medical equivalent of UFOs or Bigfoot. You can find highly credentialed scientists who advance those theories too.

75 posted on 06/14/2005 7:58:36 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: Right Angler

... it was called "something" before it was called "aids". I have this vague memory of that. Then the FORMAL.."AIDS". Was it "Gay Retro Imm Defiency Syndrome"?


76 posted on 06/14/2005 7:59:57 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Waywardson

Yeah? Try being a teen and having the monkey/human thing being proposed, prated, described in the newspapers, news media -- as "intelligent discussion". With details describing the "hypothesis". We're talking bestiality being presented and put forth under the guise of "intelligent, rational discourse" from ADULTS in public venues. I'm tellin' ya.. dog were running scared back then.


77 posted on 06/14/2005 8:03:42 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
Yes, it was briefly called GRID. But it soon became clear it was appearing in injective drug users, hemophiliacs and Haitian immigrants. People referred to these risk groups -- Homosexuals, Heroin users, Hemophiliacs and Haitians -- as the 4H Club. For that reason they renamed it (although pressure from gay activists played a part in that).

Reminds me of the old joke: What's the hardest thing about getting AIDS? Trying to convince your mom you're Haitian.

78 posted on 06/14/2005 8:07:37 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: Alia

Your welcome! It strengthened my belief that the gays and their abettors have been extorting money from folks to pay for the consequences of their behavior from the gitgo.


79 posted on 06/14/2005 8:12:34 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The gay men's hepatitus study in NY that was secretly run by the CIA to A) test the AIDS virus and/or B) decimate the gay population

With sadness, I recall these "conspiracies. Your tightly worded: "Many unnecessary deaths" communicates perfectly how I feel about it. Then, and now. It was very painful to witness co-workers ill and dying. Playing sick nurse, attending funerals. Even worse, to know they were used as mere "statistics" to bolster the radical gay agenda. And, the gay community believed the lies. Those who didn't were pretty quickly shut up.

80 posted on 06/14/2005 8:13:41 PM PDT by Alia
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