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1 posted on 06/11/2005 2:58:59 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Steyn ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2005 2:59:52 PM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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***The Chinese of wealth always builds his house with a cunning simulation of external poverty. ***

My brother wanted to build an underground mansion. It would be accessable only though a secret elevator conceled in a rundown mobile home on the land above it.

Alas, he never built it.


3 posted on 06/11/2005 3:06:04 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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Mid-century? When half the population is over 60, and the other half consists of 2/3 men and 1/3 women?

I don't know what you want to call it, but it's not going to be pretty.


4 posted on 06/11/2005 3:06:16 PM PDT by proxy_user
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http://www.neoperspectives.com/china.htm

Some scattered posts on china.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 3:07:20 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm)
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Thanks for the ping!

Steyn scores another bullseye hit of the fawning self-loathing liberal class. Falling for the "Potemkin Villages v. 2.0" of China, hook, line and sinker.

Follow the rose-colored glasses. And you will find liberals.

Anyways, I have read an analysis that, the Communist Party, which lines it's own and its families pockets, that would represent a wealthy ruling class of about 150-250 million people. As many as well-to-do as our own country.

That many wealthy can put on a good front to foreigners to conceal the state of affairs for the other 1 billion souls under their heels, and noses chained to grindstones.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 3:16:24 PM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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"One country, two systems" will lead to two or three countries, three or four systems. "

Its just a matter of time!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 06/11/2005 3:21:39 PM PDT by phoenix_004
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The race in China is to see how much military might they can accumulate before economic collapse. If they get very strong before they start collapsing, as they start collapsing those in power may do something stupid to try to hang on.

The Communist doctrine still depends on world domination to eliminate dissenters and opposition. They are only flirting with free enterprise to fund their soon-to-be-powerful military. Free enterprise doesn't exist without freedom and they are too stupid to realize that.

That was the whole idea behind Nixon's initiative with China. Yeah, that Nixon, the one being vilified to boost the reputation of journalists.

15 posted on 06/11/2005 3:48:04 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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the Chinese government, which pretends to be a world power but is terrified of words.

I wonder if China spends as much money trying to stop the speaking of some words as the US spends trying to stop Americans from smoking a weed... and the US is a world power.
16 posted on 06/11/2005 4:07:42 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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Another great one from Steyn.


23 posted on 06/11/2005 4:41:52 PM PDT by The Iguana
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The 21st century will be an Anglosphere century, with America, India and Australia leading the way.

Very intesting take by Steyn. He is likely 100% correct, as he nearly always is.

Is there any way to hire this guy for our State Department or are we going to be stuck forever with warmed over Clintonites??

26 posted on 06/11/2005 4:59:40 PM PDT by Gritty ("Maoists with stock options are still Maoists" - Mark Steyn)
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India, by contrast, with much less ballyhoo, is advancing faster than China toward a fully-developed economy - one that creates its own ideas.

My opinion has always been that India is really the potential power of the east. Despite all the problems there, the biggest thing they have going for them is more freedom, and the basis of a western legal system given to them by the British that does respect property rights.India, by contrast, with much less ballyhoo, is advancing faster than China toward a fully-developed economy - one that creates its own ideas.

29 posted on 06/11/2005 5:41:32 PM PDT by machman
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Russia and Europe have no future at all

No doubt about Europe. But is Steyn correct about Russia? I hold out more hope for her than for the EU.

43 posted on 06/11/2005 11:14:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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You can combine Leninist politics with capitalism. But the two are always in tension and sooner or later the Chinese system will hit a dead end. A developing society cannot become stable and and protect the fruits of its economic gains without freedom as well the rule of law. The latter characteristics, including the nascent middle class are still weak in China and what wealth there is has been unevenly distributed. For the moment China's Communist rulers don't need to worry about the contradictions between economics and democracy because the forces that pose a threat can be suppressed, contained and bought off by the power of the state and its ability to bribe its people into submission to the rulers' desires. Still, a day of reckoning is inevitable. I don't think there will be an Asian Century unless China gets its political house in order. The Anglosphere is still going to set the pace as Mark Steyn correctly observes, for the rest of the world to follow.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 06/11/2005 11:30:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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When European analysts coo about a "Chinese century", all they mean is "Oh, God, please, anything other than a second American century".

How many times have I heard Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton speak of the inevitable decline of the United States?

47 posted on 06/12/2005 4:06:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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Bump for post-golf reading.


48 posted on 06/12/2005 4:08:20 AM PDT by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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OUTSTANDING! Mark Steyn is OUTSTANDING! Thanks for posting.


50 posted on 06/12/2005 5:33:41 AM PDT by PGalt
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I rarely disagree with Steyn, but I think he missed the mark here.

First of all, China abandoned communism about 20 years ago. It's capitalistic, but it's state-run. That's fascism, not communism.

They kept the name of the Party, but that's it.

The Party considered political reform and an introduction of political freedom, but they freely admit that they felt they had to make a choice between democracy and getting rich. They chose rich.

The final point where Steyn is wrong is that the Chinese intend to force 400 million of their rural residents into the major cities over the next 15 years. So they will participate, to some extent, in the growing Chinese economy. They'll be the cheap labor that assembles the cars for export to europe and America.

Fascism does work. And as long as you don't desire to dissent and aren't at the bottom of the economic ladder, it's a far better existence than under true communism.

China is a 4,000 year old country and has essentially governed itself that entire time, with very brief periods of foreign occupation. The borders have changed very little.

It's not going to unravel this century.

52 posted on 06/12/2005 7:46:45 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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Steyn BTTT


53 posted on 06/12/2005 9:32:40 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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I recommend anyone who also speak Chinese go and read Caoan's articles. The reality is far grimer for China and much worse than Steyn knows - in fact, the reports I read on all Western media read like yesterday's People's Daily.

http://www.dajiyuan.com/gb/nssc858.htm

(To TLR: this is the unnamed gentleman I mentioned a few months ago on a thread on P.R. China)


63 posted on 06/13/2005 6:44:20 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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its internet protective blocks are not the armour but the, er, chink.

Pass the Windex...

71 posted on 06/18/2005 5:33:15 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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