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This is your brain on looney libertarianism. Any questions?

We can barely handle the social and economic costs of "legal drugs" like alcohol. So instead of throwing our hands up in frustration like libertarians, why not use the same shaming tactics on dopers that we use on smokers?

1 posted on 06/06/2005 8:42:41 AM PDT by Che Chihuahua
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To: Che Chihuahua
WE are still on it here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1414976/posts?page=399#355

 

2 posted on 06/06/2005 8:44:03 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: AdmSmith

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3 posted on 06/06/2005 8:44:42 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Che Chihuahua
Look, dopers think that what they do is invisible to the rest of us.

It's part of the general sense of megalomania that most narcotics import. What is surprising is that feeling continues on into their brief, intermittent, periods of lucidity where they find themselves in FR trying to post.

4 posted on 06/06/2005 8:45:26 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Che Chihuahua

Milton Friedman is no looney. He is a Nobel Prize (1976) winning economist. You may disagree with his conclusions, but he at least presents evidence to make his case.


5 posted on 06/06/2005 8:47:05 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Che Chihuahua

Ending prohibition enforcement would save $7.7 billion in combined state and federal spending, the report says, while taxation would yield up to $6.2 billion a year.
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Rather than legalizing MJ, to save tax dollars, WHY NOT MAKE ILLEGAL ALIENS I-L-L-E-G-A-L and multiply that savings number by about TEN OR MORE. Sorry Mr. Friedman, you are looking in the wrong place to save tax dollars. Pick the LOW-HANGING FRUIT FIRST!


6 posted on 06/06/2005 8:47:46 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Che Chihuahua
Ending prohibition enforcement would save $7.7 billion in combined state and federal spending, the report says, while taxation would yield up to $6.2 billion a year.

The reason it will never end is because that $7.7 billion pays a lot of salaries in the law enforcement and prison industries.

8 posted on 06/06/2005 8:49:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: Che Chihuahua
This is your brain on looney libertarianism. Any questions?

Yeah.

The drug prohibition laws are what lead to the federal monopoly on health care.

Federal control is the reason health care costs are through the roof.

The Feds give free healthcare to any illegal alien who makes it across the border.

My question is: How do you feel about being a rabid supporter of socialize medicine via your rabid support of the controlled substance laws?

10 posted on 06/06/2005 8:52:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: eyespysomething
I realize you saw this article last week when it was first posted, but this statement was so outrageous to me that I thought you'd get a kick out of it, too.

We can barely handle the social and economic costs of "legal drugs" like alcohol. So instead of throwing our hands up in frustration like libertarians, why not use the same shaming tactics on dopers that we use on smokers?

It makes me so angry to see the extent to which others wish to control their neighbors through legislation and regulation. The fact that the author of this opinion is a Republican shows the certain doom our nation faces. We are bound for socialism.

11 posted on 06/06/2005 8:52:07 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Che Chihuahua

Before the War on Drugs, nobody used those drugs.
Much of the really bad stuff out now, was invented during the war on some drugs.

I know lots of high ranking cops. They all favor decriminalization. Over a thirty year career, most come to realize it is a waste of time and does more harm to the Constitution than good for the citizenry.

But the JBT's do get to confiscate a lot of money and stuff without due process and they get to keep it all.

You'll see the War on Terror eventually go the same way, just like the War on Poverty.


13 posted on 06/06/2005 8:53:02 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (McCain or Hillary, two Manchurians in a pod.)
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To: Che Chihuahua

MJ should be legal for the simple reason that any activity that a person engages in that does not end your right to pursue life, liberty and happines through either fraud or force should be legal.


14 posted on 06/06/2005 8:54:54 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Che Chihuahua
I thing this would be exceedingly stupid, but it is probably going to happen. We as a nation are ripe for this. You are absolutely right about the social and economic costs, but well, that's why liberals like it. It will help them gain more social control and it will give them a "compassionate" excuse to raise our taxes. They probably also see an opportunity to get polical money donations from the newly legalized industry.

And druggies tend to vote Democrat.

16 posted on 06/06/2005 8:55:28 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Che Chihuahua
Regardless of what one thinks should be the law, the fact is, pot is becoming, defacto, decriminalized. Why do I say that? I know people who have been found, by LEO, to have joints on them. One guy I know had a big ziplock bag stuffed with it. Caught red handed, but just let off with a warning. I think the LEO's are sick of pot-duty.

My guess is that, like sodomy, these laws, even when hardly ever enforced, will be kept on the books so that prosecuters have something else to pile on a defendant.

17 posted on 06/06/2005 8:59:47 AM PDT by Paradox (Who cares about his razor, I use Occam's Chainsaw!)
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To: Che Chihuahua
This is your brain on looney libertarianism. Any questions?

Yes. What is your brain on? Social engineering statism?

What possible difference can it make to you if someone wants to go home and smoke a joint? What conceivable right do you have, such that you can delegate it to the government, to interfere with the self-evident right of individuals to indulge in that pastime?

Oh. That's right. It drives up "our" health costs. Well, I can't think of too many human activities that couldn't be outlawed using that justification (including watching TV when you should be out exercising), assuming that such a justification was remotely conceivable as a basis for our laws.

Some conservative you are. One of those "Now-you-see the Ninth amendment and now-you-don't" conservatives.

I just don't understand you guys at all. Why do you support the use of federal tax dollars for such a blatantly intrusive, unnecessary and dangerous policy?

23 posted on 06/06/2005 9:16:11 AM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: Che Chihuahua

I agree with Friedman. Marijuana is no worse than alcohol. The drug war should focus on hard drugs.


29 posted on 06/06/2005 9:42:09 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Che Chihuahua

The federal government has only one role, and that is the defense of the nation, and managing trade.

That's it, the federal government has no right to dictate to the states what they will or won't do

Unfortunately, that's what they have been doing ever since Abraham Hussein legitamized the destruction of state's rights for his own purposes.


35 posted on 06/06/2005 9:57:24 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (Farragut got lucky, if we had been on our game, we would have blasted him off Dauphin Island)
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To: Che Chihuahua

I agree with him the costs are large, and not just monetarily. But loss of freedom. America was created to be a free nation where the individual could make decisions and also the individual would be responsible for his or her own decisions. Aka liberty.

Whether or not marijuana is harmful or helpful should only be an argument to disuade or persuade people to use it, not an argument for outlawing the plant. That is if we are free adults. If on the other hand we are going to be a nation that rules over its subjects for their own good, aka social engineering, then those arguments matter for whether or not the plant should be legal for adults or not.

We never openly had that debate in America.. and infact it was the very socialist leaning people that came in during the depression like Roosevelt who outlawed drugs, and brought us incredible amounts of regulations that the nation hadn't known before.


76 posted on 06/06/2005 8:32:27 PM PDT by ran15
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To: Che Chihuahua
This is your brain on looney libertarianism. Any questions?

This is your law enforcement resources being devoted to enforcing drug laws. Any questions?

81 posted on 06/06/2005 11:54:25 PM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Che Chihuahua

Sorry, Miltie. Your John Hancock a'int worth $hit these days. Smoke pot and you will go to jail. It's the law, and it will not change.


113 posted on 06/12/2005 8:14:03 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Che Chihuahua

you know, it really spurises me that the government BANS MJ rather than SUPPORTING it. if they're trying to go socialist, would they want as many people as possible in a state of placidness? isn't it easier to control a culture that's docile?


128 posted on 06/16/2005 1:06:22 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Che Chihuahua

Friedman is a johnny-one-note bore.


173 posted on 06/26/2005 3:35:28 PM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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