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GREATEST AMERICAN on THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
SUNDAY EVENING PROGRAM ON CABLE TV

Posted on 06/06/2005 7:22:41 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft

Watched the Discovery Channel show on the Greatest American countdown? You get to vote who you feel is the greatest American. The votes were web paged at aol.com./greatestamerican. It only takes a few readings of the bio's to see where they are going. Matt Lauer was the host, need I say more?


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To: Pompah
I vote for Jack Daniels.

And his brother Charlie :)

41 posted on 06/06/2005 7:45:22 AM PDT by Marauder (Politicians use words the way a squid uses ink.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
As far as personal integrity and brilliance I think Robert E. Lee has no equal and few close.

I know many will hate him because he fought for the Confederacy but this is what Viscount Garnet Wolseley said of Lee:

"I have met many of the great men of my time, but Lee alone impressed me with the feeling that I was in the presence of a man who was cast in a grander mold and made of different and finer metal than all other men. He is stamped upon my memory as a being apart and superior to all others in every way-a man with whom none I ever knew, and very few of whom I have read, were worthy to be classed.

BTW, Wolseley was perhaps the greatest soldier ever produced by the British Empire.

42 posted on 06/06/2005 7:45:31 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Did anyone else notice they also spent more time on the bad points of conservatives or republicans than liberals or democrats???


43 posted on 06/06/2005 7:45:57 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: dawn53; All

No offense to the Gipper.. He was the greatest.. However, without Washington and our other founding fathers, Reagan would not have been President. The thing I liked about our founding fathers is that they had cojones.. They stood up to a superpower back then and literally changed the world for the better.


44 posted on 06/06/2005 7:48:45 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: DocH
Given that they mention Oprah (and other left-wing maggots). . .

Perhaps I've missed something, but I've never seen Oprah being that far to the left. She's always seemed like a moderate to me.

45 posted on 06/06/2005 7:48:45 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: boofus

I'm sure you noticed that when they talked about Thomas Jefferson, by the second sentence they were obsessing over that he was a "slaveholder".

In fact, that's about all they talked about. Talk about an agenda.

A hundred years from now, they will probably announce Bush as "he began a huge democracy movement in the Middle East, but was known to drive an SUV. This SUV has tarnished his image..."


46 posted on 06/06/2005 7:49:02 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Who could it be? Believe it or not, it's just me.


47 posted on 06/06/2005 7:51:44 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: wvobiwan
In the promo I saw about this, they were pushing Bill Clinton in the same breath as George Washington. It's a leftist sham, to be expected from Discovery.

I completely agree. Perhaps what we all should do is vote for that "kabuki-faced deviant" Michael Jackson. Let's let Matt figure out how to explain it to those who care about this Discovery Channel farce. I'm serious. A vote for Jackson can be a protest vote. Let's put Michael over the top & call out the Discovery Channel.

48 posted on 06/06/2005 7:51:56 AM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: Bringbackthedraft
How about this guy?


Lt. Jimmie Monteith

Medal of Honor on D-DAY

Mortars, machine guns, 37 mm anti-tank guns, 75 and 88 mm guns, steel tripod stakes, floating mines, wired mines, buried mines and Teller mines that were just covered by the sea at high tide all took their toll on Lt. Jimmie Monteith's men. In moments the fifty-one men and the Lieutenant were reduced to just twenty-five.

After cutting a swath of destruction across North Africa it fell to Field Marshall Erwin Rommel to bolster the Atlantic Wall defenses for Adolf Hitler. For Lieutenant Jimmie Monteith Jr. of Virginia it was his job to cut through those defenses on June 6, 1944- D-Day.

The L.C.V.P. churned through the surf carrying Company E, the 16th Infantry unit of the U.S. Army 1st Division—the Big Red One. A quarter mile from the sand machine gun rounds were already finding their mark on the armored loading ramp. It was 0645. The craft had circled for thirty minutes after the men embarked to form up in concert with others. The Channel's six-foot waves began to take their toll in nausea damage as vomit hit the bilge water at their freezing cold feet. These were battle tested men who had fought in North Africa and through Sicily but the prolonged disorientation in the craft did them in.

Add the heavy equipment load each man carried in their weakened state and it contributed to the recipe for disaster. Weapons with 250 rounds of ammunition, grenades, rations, canteens, explosives, first-aid kits, gas masks, entrenching tools and life preservers were all vital but all added to the weight.

There was some solace in the fact that the fifty-two men were part of 35,000 assaulting Fortress Europe that day in the first wave and the fact the naval guns and B-26 bombers had plastered the defenses earlier. Also, amphibious tanks were to precede the infantry to the beaches. The sad surprise was that the bombardment completely missed or did little damage and most of the tanks sank or bogged down as they emerged from their landing craft too far from the beach in the heavy seas. The floundering tanks were unique to Omaha's churning surf. At other beaches they performed as planned.

The landings had to be made at low tide to reveal the traps and obstacles. At high tide the relative safety of the shorter beach that needed to be crossed had the down side of the assault vehicles being hung up or destroyed on the submerged dangers. Three hundred plus yards of bare beach was required to be crossed to the sea wall where the bluffs began.

The L.C.V.P. thunked to stop on a sand bar 75 yards off the beach unable to proceed farther. Monteith rallied the seasick men to their feet as the ramp dropped. Other craft shared a similar fate hung up 50 to 100 yards from the sands. Muzzle flashes pierced the overcast low gray of the dawn from the wall beyond the beach from a thousand weapons. As the slugs splashed into the water in front of the ramp Monteith ordered the men over the sides of the craft.

Lt. Monteith splashed into the cold three-foot deep water with his men. As bullets swept the area he ducked below the water instinctively. Those that didn't follow suit died. Beyond the sand bar the nasty green water rose to eight feet and the puny life preservers could not help non-swimmers stay afloat. They drowned thrashing about the ugly water. Eleven men were already gone from the unit.

Everyone looked for the tanks they'd hoped would punch a hole in the enemy line but not one was in sight as Monteith lamented to Sergeant Orville Pierce, the demolition expert, "Man, one thing for sure, this just ain't our day."

The bluffs of Colleville-sur-Mer spat out ordnance and the rounds erupted all around the 16th. The village of the same name lay about a mile from the shoreline approachable via the Colleville Draw or over the bluffs.

Lt. Monteith zigzagged to a position near an anti-tank obstacle called a spider. The 7.92 mm copper-jacketed projectiles made the metal sing as the men hunkered behind it and others strewn along the beach. They crawled forward to the relative safety of a rock overhang from the steel rain. Monteith did a head count and found that fully half of his fifty-one men were missing.

The radioman repeats the message from Colonel Taylor, "Hell, we're dying on the beach. Let's move inland."

Few expected the Allied invasion at Omaha Beach. But the Desert Fox, Rommel, did. "The war will be won or lost on the beaches. The first 24 hours will be decisive," he concluded. And he took pains to make the beaches impenetrable. Besides the first layer of tank obstacles and mines was concertina wire and then more mines. Backing that were the 100-foot cliffs housing pill boxes with machine guns, 20 mms, 50 and 75 mm anti-tank cannon. Mortars came next and then the big 88 mm gun emplacements dotted the furthest firing line. The fact that the seasoned 726th Regiment, 716th Division was bolstered by the greener 352nd Infantry Division that was on maneuvers nearby on June 6th was not known to Allied intelligence.

Lt. Jimmie Monteith was right about it not being their day at Omaha. The other beach landings went well and though resistance was substantial in places the Allied force quelled the brunt of the German defense. At Omaha every tank and anti-tank gun ferried ashore was picked off by the uncanny accuracy of the German gunners. Twenty-nine amphibious D.D. or duplex drive tanks sank offloaded too far from shore in order to avoid gun fire and thirty-five more that did "swim" in were soon destroyed or crippled. Only two eventually made it intact.

These were M-4 Shermans that sported raise-able, watertight skirts above the hull. Twin propellers gave thrust. At other beaches the waves were a bit less turbulent and the D.D.s did fine.

At 0700 the second wave arriving was cut to pieces worst than the initial one. To the casual observer it would seem that Rommel's defenses had halted the American assault. All that was left was the 16th's twenty-three men now huddled beneath a shelf-like escarpment and they would soon be picked off by the deadly fire. But leading those twenty-five was Monteith. Jimmie was a big man physically but it would take a man with big leadership ability to save his men. He had a plan.

The 1st's advance had bogged down all along the line a thousand yards on either side of them relayed radioman Private Kormann. Monteith and Pierce sprang for the barbed wire aprons lacing their advance inland. It was a long thirty seconds but the charge was set and they returned to the rest of the men.

Monteith forewarned every man to follow or face the consequences while his foot depressed the plunger as he rose to lead the charge through the narrow gap. Some wavered a bit but all followed as the Lieutenant miraculously navigated the minefield to the base of the bluffs. This singular action had turned the tide of the battle as other units began to blow gaps in the German defenses to move up.

The two D. D. tanks of the 741st Armored represented some 75 mm artillery for the beleaguered infantry but they could get no clear shots in. Monteith dropped his equipment and sprinted for the tanks ahead of the fire. 75, 50 and 20 mms showered the beach but the big Virginian made it. He then walked out in front of the vehicles to lead them through the gap he'd forged in the mines. Monteith was unbelievably unscathed. The men of E Company were amazed with his charmed existence.

The Lieutenant used hand signals to direct the tanks' fire to the German 75 mm, 50 mm and machine gun emplacements. With the now-rising tide two destroyers were able to come close in and plaster the bluffs from just 1,000 yards with their 5-inch guns. The heavy fire was taking its toll!

Monteith led his men forward with Private Kormann staying behind them to direct the big guns by radio. He kept their barrage 300 yards in front of the advance. They were moving now and surged ahead up the rocky terrain. Kormann halted the artillery when the men came close to a machine gun position. Jimmie Monteith and his 21 men soon lobbed grenades into the area and realized they were above the other German emplacement owning a 200-yard line of France.

Spreading the men out along that line in defensive positions worked well as thirty to forty Germans probed behind a light mortar barrage. Below the machine guns were now focusing upward instead of seaward to cover their troops. Monteith lay his rifle down for a Thompson as the fire fight continued. Besides the semi-auto, .30 caliber Garands the B.A.R.s laid down heavy fire at the now sixty strong Germans. Only three got close and were gunned down by Private McHugh. The remainder halted 100 yards down.

Two more such probing advances were repelled. The men saw Monteith moving all about firing constantly from every position.

It was time to move. The big Virginian knew the Germans would mean business now and reasoned it would do no good to hold the position without G.I.s from another wave to bolster their strength.

Instead of retreating Monteith ordered an attack on the German flanks below them. The spearhead of men now came down 500 yards of terrain as the Germans opened fire on both sides. Lt. Monteith was running full speed one second and an anonymous slug stopped him dead in his tracks the next.

He would have been twenty-seven years old on July 1st.

Lt. Monteith's citation read:

"The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of Congress, March 3, 1863, has awarded in the name of The Congress the Medal of Honor to FIRST LIEUTENANT JIMMIE W. MONTEITH JR. UNITED STATES ARMY Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 16th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Colleville-sur-Mer, France, 6 June 1944. Entered service at: Richmond, Va. Born: 1 July 1917, Low Moor, Va. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty on 6 June 1944, near Colleville-sur-Mer, France. 1st Lt. Monteith landed with the initial assault waves on the coast of France under heavy enemy fire. Without regard to his own personal safety he continually moved up and down the beach reorganizing men for further assault. He then led the assault over a narrow protective ledge and across the flat, exposed terrain to the comparative safety of a cliff. Retracing his steps across the field to the beach, he moved over to where 2 tanks were buttoned up and blind under violent enemy artillery and machinegun fire. Completely exposed to the intense fire, 1st Lt. Monteith led the tanks on foot through a minefield and into firing positions. Under his direction several enemy positions were destroyed. He then rejoined his company and under his leadership his men captured an advantageous position on the hill. Supervising the defense of his newly won position against repeated vicious counterattacks, he continued to ignore his own personal safety, repeatedly crossing the 200 or 300 yards of open terrain under heavy fire to strengthen links in his defensive chain. When the enemy succeeded in completely surrounding 1st Lt. Monteith and his unit and while leading the fight out of the situation, 1st Lt. Monteith was killed by enemy fire. The courage, gallantry, and intrepid leadership displayed by 1st Lt. Monteith is worthy of emulation."

49 posted on 06/06/2005 7:52:58 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

LOL...yep, William Katt is my amended choice.


50 posted on 06/06/2005 7:53:48 AM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Gulf War One
Just when I start to have some faith in America.....A fluff talk show host (Oprah) mentioned in the same breath as George Washington? Pathetic.

It's sort of like ranking Dr. Jonas Salk together with Dr. Phil.

Sometimes, I think that this country survives in spite of its citizens, rather than because of them.

51 posted on 06/06/2005 7:56:03 AM PDT by wbill
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To: yarddog

Robert E. Lee will be in the top five. Integrity and honor is his legacy.

1 George Washington
2 Robert E. Lee
3 General George Patton
4 Ronald Reagan
5 George W. Bush


52 posted on 06/06/2005 7:56:04 AM PDT by hildy123 (George Washington)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Seriously, can you write in?


53 posted on 06/06/2005 7:56:40 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Great American Heroes:

Religous Hero: Dr. James Dobson.

Sports Hero: David Robinson

54 posted on 06/06/2005 7:58:03 AM PDT by Responsibility1st (Spurs in 5)
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To: hildy123
Robert E. Lee will be in the top five. Integrity and honor is his legacy.

Not to mention treason. (Before the debate begins, yes I understand why he took up arms against the United States . . . and yes, I know that he is theoretically no different than George Washington, but that doesn't discount the fact that it was treasonous behavior)

55 posted on 06/06/2005 7:58:28 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: cloud8
When I was around 15 I had my plan down pat.

The first thing I would do would be to fool Gilligan into sailing away on a raft. Next I would somehow do the same with the skipper, the Howells, and the professor.

Next, well you can probably guess.

56 posted on 06/06/2005 7:59:37 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Greatest American? Maryanne, of course.


57 posted on 06/06/2005 8:00:31 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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To: yarddog

Second that! Hurrah!


58 posted on 06/06/2005 8:00:32 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: superiorslots

Perhaps some plain-spoken Freepers should point out to them the flaws in their little experiment.


59 posted on 06/06/2005 8:00:37 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Bringbackthedraft


60 posted on 06/06/2005 8:01:08 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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