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To: stormyseas
capitol punishment is not a deterrent to murder

It is a deterrent. Can you name just one instance where someone has died via capital punishment and returned to life to kill again?

YHWH told us to set up legal systems.

YHWH's Word actually protects three ways of killing as being legitimate under certain circumstances.

The first legitimate way of killing a person is legal capital punishment for gross and heinous crimes committed against other people. In Genesis 9:6, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made He man." Immediately after Noah’s Flood, God authorized people to establish governments that would bring order and justice to society. Part of the authority given to a government is to execute its worse criminals with the death penalty.

Whether we like it or not, the Bible allows for the death penalty for certain crimes. Leviticus 24:17 says, "If anyone takes the life of a human being, he must be put to death."

YHWH authorizes governments to use the death penalty on hard-core criminals. Numbers 35:16-21 affirms it. The Bible says the execution of a quick penalty serves as a deterrent to crime (Deuteronomy 13:11; Ecclesiastes 8:11). This same principle carries into the New Testament. In Romans 13:4, Paul says a policeman "is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Paul said in Acts 25:11, "If I am guilty of doing anything deserving of death, I do not refuse to die." This shows that Paul believed in the legitimacy of capital punishment.

268 posted on 06/02/2005 1:16:19 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I understand that scripture says to set up justice systems. But what if we have become a justice system who puts to death innocent men while letting the guilty go free? What if it has become a justice system that has become prejudice against poverty? I have seen men being put to death for a crime that was committed while trying to eat, because he was a black man not able to work because of his color (not saying this was right but not a cold blooded killer, just a hungry man). I have watched as Charles Manson gets rich while in prison. God also tells us to visit and take care of those in prison, so is it ok for a justice system to allow a man to freeze in the winter on death row because there is no heat and his family has long since abandoned him. I am saying the deterrent, being people who watch as we do this in the name of justice. It does not control the five others who will kill tomorrow. It does not cull out evil. It is not working, that is all I am saying. Not for us, because somewhere we have strayed from what G-d wanted us to do and we are not being fair and equal to all now. We are not treating all men as equals, equal justice, equal defense and so on. In fact do you realize it cost more to keep a man on death row than to hold him for life? The appeals process is blamed on the defense when in fact, people who are for capitol punishment make it hard for the appeals to happen, so therefore it takes years and years. I worked on Alexander Williams case and it wore me down, he was commuted in the end, however he deserved his appeals. I didn't deserve being spit on and my hair was cut. That made me a victim. I have seen these victims act worse than the person who committed the murder at times. It is all sad and it is in sad shape. When they can assure me (everyone) will have an equally fair trial and that no innocent man will ever die again, then it will be the justice system G-d intended us to build. However look at the world, most of it is so far from G-d they wouldn't begin to know how he wanted justice served.

(you again!!!) How are you...:)? lol ps... I was just commenting on the thought of a boy 7 being tried as an adult and them seeking Capitol Punishment. It scares me is all.
275 posted on 06/02/2005 1:40:07 PM PDT by stormyseas
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Sometimes they do not get this lucky, we find out a day too late!


Despite spending almost 18 years on Florida's death row, Juan Melendez didn't give up hope that one day he would be exonerated for a murder he didn't commit.

Paul said in Acts 25:11, "If I am guilty of doing anything deserving of death, I do not refuse to die." This shows that Paul believed in the legitimacy of capital punishment.

The key word is IF....IF...:)

Melendez, who spoke in front of a crowd at the University of New Mexico-Valencia Campus about his fight to prove his innocence, said there were times he lost hope about his future and his life. But he said he knew his innocence would someday be proven.

That day finally arrived 17 years and eight months after he was convicted of the murder of a Florida beauty salon owner in 1984.


http://www.news-bulletin.com/news/34891-09-13-03.html

this is from 2003, it gets worse as time goes on. It is bad in Georgia where I am from, a lot of those men are probably innocent, convicted in a time when they couldn't get a fair trial because the were black.

When we start killing children, we have no where else to go this is the extremes in evil...G-d would not want this, I do not believe...there has to be another answer.
284 posted on 06/02/2005 1:57:49 PM PDT by stormyseas
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