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To: ET(end tyranny)
I understand that scripture says to set up justice systems. But what if we have become a justice system who puts to death innocent men while letting the guilty go free? What if it has become a justice system that has become prejudice against poverty? I have seen men being put to death for a crime that was committed while trying to eat, because he was a black man not able to work because of his color (not saying this was right but not a cold blooded killer, just a hungry man). I have watched as Charles Manson gets rich while in prison. God also tells us to visit and take care of those in prison, so is it ok for a justice system to allow a man to freeze in the winter on death row because there is no heat and his family has long since abandoned him. I am saying the deterrent, being people who watch as we do this in the name of justice. It does not control the five others who will kill tomorrow. It does not cull out evil. It is not working, that is all I am saying. Not for us, because somewhere we have strayed from what G-d wanted us to do and we are not being fair and equal to all now. We are not treating all men as equals, equal justice, equal defense and so on. In fact do you realize it cost more to keep a man on death row than to hold him for life? The appeals process is blamed on the defense when in fact, people who are for capitol punishment make it hard for the appeals to happen, so therefore it takes years and years. I worked on Alexander Williams case and it wore me down, he was commuted in the end, however he deserved his appeals. I didn't deserve being spit on and my hair was cut. That made me a victim. I have seen these victims act worse than the person who committed the murder at times. It is all sad and it is in sad shape. When they can assure me (everyone) will have an equally fair trial and that no innocent man will ever die again, then it will be the justice system G-d intended us to build. However look at the world, most of it is so far from G-d they wouldn't begin to know how he wanted justice served.

(you again!!!) How are you...:)? lol ps... I was just commenting on the thought of a boy 7 being tried as an adult and them seeking Capitol Punishment. It scares me is all.
275 posted on 06/02/2005 1:40:07 PM PDT by stormyseas
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To: stormyseas

#275. Points well taken.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust, and the good die young.

Still, we must persevere.

If the appeals process could be made shorter, I'd be all for it, so long as justice be done.


287 posted on 06/02/2005 2:27:10 PM PDT by Ecthelion
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To: stormyseas

Since we can't be 100% perfect in how justice is meted out should we then do away with all courts and layers and judicial sytems and allow vigilanties to resolve problems? Shall we let chaos rule supreme. You may things a tad confused. Justice is for the victim and or their families, not the criminal, though there does seem to be attempts to reverse that. Society shouldn't have to to pay to keep these murderers fed, clothed and healthy until they all die of old age. Society shouldn't have to fund and build more and more prisons to keep the criminals off the streets, but as it is now, our prisons are over crowded and they are letting criminals out early because they need the space. What is the point of even having a judicial system when we don't even make the criminals fulfill their sentences? Look at that Tate kid. He sure changed, right? Nope. These kids can kill and they don't get treated as adults and are back on the streets and getting into trouble all over again. We know who (at leat from what the article printed) killed this baby. Do you think someone else did it? What about the 9 year old girl? Do you think someone else killed the 11 year old? Do you really think putting someone behind bars for a couple of years is justice for taking someone else's life away from them? For taking someone else's child away from them? If your child were outside laying in the sun and a 7 year old snuck up on her and stabbed and killed her, would you feel that putting that 7 year into treatment would equal justice? Would you consider that justice had been served? You are right about justice not being equal. A lot of criminals are getting out way too soon and a lot are not required to spend the time behind bars as they should, because overcrowding makes it difficult. Why is it that our judicial system has become so lax and soft? Look at the rapists and pedophiles that get out after just a few years to continue where they left off. I don't buy into the blame poverty bit. Look at Teddy Kennedy and Chappaquiddick, and his cousin Skakel. They weren't poverty stricken. There were people in our town when I was growing up that were dirt poor, but they never killed anybody. There have been a couple of times when I was laid off from work and about to lose everything I had worked for, several times, living on soda crackers, but I didnt kill anybody. I went out and found a different job. Wasn't a glamorous or well paying job, but hey, it was a job. Some people think if it doesn't pay big money then it is beneath them. Life is about choices. We don't to have to worry about IF in these two cases, we know already. We have appeals processes, but society should not be punished by forcing them to pay for the lifelong incarceration of these people. Maybe we could pass a law that the families of these bottomfeeders have to pay all costs for housing, feeding and caring for their demon seeds.


289 posted on 06/02/2005 2:33:43 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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