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To: stormyseas

Since we can't be 100% perfect in how justice is meted out should we then do away with all courts and layers and judicial sytems and allow vigilanties to resolve problems? Shall we let chaos rule supreme. You may things a tad confused. Justice is for the victim and or their families, not the criminal, though there does seem to be attempts to reverse that. Society shouldn't have to to pay to keep these murderers fed, clothed and healthy until they all die of old age. Society shouldn't have to fund and build more and more prisons to keep the criminals off the streets, but as it is now, our prisons are over crowded and they are letting criminals out early because they need the space. What is the point of even having a judicial system when we don't even make the criminals fulfill their sentences? Look at that Tate kid. He sure changed, right? Nope. These kids can kill and they don't get treated as adults and are back on the streets and getting into trouble all over again. We know who (at leat from what the article printed) killed this baby. Do you think someone else did it? What about the 9 year old girl? Do you think someone else killed the 11 year old? Do you really think putting someone behind bars for a couple of years is justice for taking someone else's life away from them? For taking someone else's child away from them? If your child were outside laying in the sun and a 7 year old snuck up on her and stabbed and killed her, would you feel that putting that 7 year into treatment would equal justice? Would you consider that justice had been served? You are right about justice not being equal. A lot of criminals are getting out way too soon and a lot are not required to spend the time behind bars as they should, because overcrowding makes it difficult. Why is it that our judicial system has become so lax and soft? Look at the rapists and pedophiles that get out after just a few years to continue where they left off. I don't buy into the blame poverty bit. Look at Teddy Kennedy and Chappaquiddick, and his cousin Skakel. They weren't poverty stricken. There were people in our town when I was growing up that were dirt poor, but they never killed anybody. There have been a couple of times when I was laid off from work and about to lose everything I had worked for, several times, living on soda crackers, but I didnt kill anybody. I went out and found a different job. Wasn't a glamorous or well paying job, but hey, it was a job. Some people think if it doesn't pay big money then it is beneath them. Life is about choices. We don't to have to worry about IF in these two cases, we know already. We have appeals processes, but society should not be punished by forcing them to pay for the lifelong incarceration of these people. Maybe we could pass a law that the families of these bottomfeeders have to pay all costs for housing, feeding and caring for their demon seeds.


289 posted on 06/02/2005 2:33:43 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I wasn't saying do away with the justice system I was only making clear points, however I do not believe that old saying "who cares if we kill a few innocent, let us just get the guilty." I worked in the justice system and it is pretty chaotic on both sides. I have seen them lose prisoners for years, did you know that? One who had never been tried, they just couldn't speak English. But sometimes people are so victimized that they want to just see justice served on someone, anyone, someone has to pay. I have worked with both sides. No society shouldn't have to keep murderer's fed and clothed, what about the innocent? What about forgiveness and love, what about a Christian duty to help a man have a change of heart? Especially if he is guilty, but what if he isn't, then are we guilty, because we didn't care? All the points you made after this would only conclude that what I said was right....IT IS NOT WORKING. So we need something different.
294 posted on 06/02/2005 2:42:17 PM PDT by stormyseas
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To: ET(end tyranny)
another statement on a comment of yours, it was not about poor people killing people, but about poor people not being able to afford counsel to properly defend them, so therefore a lot more innocent poor people are put in prison than guilty rich ones. I never said the guilty should not be put to death, if without a doubt, they truly are, then do it, but we should still minister to them. They also deserve the same defense as the millionaires can afford out there. Or everyone should have public defenders for the crime of murder. I know some are good, but more times than not, they do not fight hard enough, because it is almost "free" work. Child molestation, if proven without a doubt should also be a capitol crime. My point is not that I am against capitol punishment, just the fairness of it. And children now. I can't be so quick to jump and say yeah kill them too. That is all.
298 posted on 06/02/2005 2:56:25 PM PDT by stormyseas
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