Posted on 06/01/2005 11:17:17 AM PDT by Alouette
Israel’s police have uncovered a group of at least 20 neo-Nazis who immigrated to Israel from the Former Soviet Union under the Law of Return.
Police are not certain how to proceed due to the lack of legal basis for prosecuting Israelis espousing anti-Semitic ideology.
The neo-Nazi group was discovered following the arrest of a 20-year-old IDF soldier on drug charges. That resulted in the discovery of neo-Nazi material in his home and a swastika tattooed on his arm.
During the investigation of the arrested neo-Nazi and his mother, who also professed hatred for Jews and Israel, other members of the group were revealed. Police detective Haim Fadlon told the Maariv newspaper that the suspects are believed to have met each other in anti-Semitic chat rooms on the Internet. They have held meeting and performed ceremonies with swastika banners and other Nazi paraphernalia as well.
"We cannot disclose details of the inquiry, but it's chilling," Fadlon said. "It appears these are people living in this country who are talking among themselves about extermination of the Jews."
Under the current 'Law of Return,' anybody with a Jewish grandparent can immigrate to Israel and receive citizenship and benefits. Immigrant groups representing Jews from the former Soviet Union have long called for reform in the law due to immigrants moving to Israel for financial reasons, bringing their enmity for Jews and Israel along with them.
Interior Minister Ofir Pines-Paz has asked Attorney General Menachem Mazuz to interpret the law regarding new immigrants and citizenship to examine the legal procedure under which a new immigrant’s status can be revoked.
So many punch lines to choose from!
1)Kahanists, on the other hand, the Israeli government knows how to deal with.
2)Well, somebody's gotta evict those awful "settlers."
3)Good, or they'd have to arrest Sharon!
5)So does this mean Israeli Arabs don't count as anti-Semitic or just that they don't get prosecuted?
And of course that old chestnut: So what's the difference between these Nazis and the millions of Arab Nazis the Left is so fond of???
There's an org. called the "International Fellowship of Christian & Jews" headed by Rabbi Yechiel Z. Eckstein
who has been asking for donations to help Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel because they can't afford to pay for the trip. I'm wondering if this org. is inadvertantly helping anti-semites to emigrate to Israel. I have donated to this org. myself, and am now worried whether I should continue to donate unless they have a way of making sure only true Jews are being helped to move to Israel.
I think that Nefesh B'Nefesh works primarily with U.S. and Canadian Jews.
I am pretty sure that these bogus Jews were recruited by the Jewish Agency.
Simple : Neurenburgh the Capos.
Well...let's just say it isn't new. During WWII, the German SS would select prison guards from among the prisoners themselves. These guards, called Capos, were repsponsible for quite a few atrocities.
There always were some Jews anxious to cause the extermination of our own people. I call it the "seeds of our own destruction" gene and liken it to tay sachs or sickle cell anemia...it's a genetic defect.
what does "practicing Judaism" in a reform sense mean? someone of a jewish father and non jewish mother who goes to a temple, maybe for an hour or two on yom kippur but otherwise is indistinguishable from the population at large? in the case mentioned here the grandfather was identified as Jewish. if the soldier's mother was the descendant of the Jewish grandfather, in a strict halachic sense the soldier would be Jewish although in practice, a Rabbi should be consulted. therefore, in a strict "reform" sense the same should apply if the father were the descendant of the jewish grandfather, ie. the one Jewish parent rule. Isnt the law of return, affected clearly by who is a Jew?
Maybe they can team up with Mohammad Barakeh and get elected to the Knesset!
You don’t have to be Jewish to immigrate under the law of return, simply have a Jewish grandparent, and not practice another religion, which one can lie about. Essentially the Nuremburg standard used to persecute Jews.
An excellent idea.
Another avenue to infiltrate and let the communists work their magic in yet another region of the world. Absolutely foolish of Israel for not doing a better job of checking out those who come there. Then again we are just as guilty of that if not more so.
Well, we may be neo Nazis, but at least we never saluted Spurrier.
"We cannot disclose details of the inquiry, but it's chilling," Fadlon said. "It appears these are people living in this country who are talking among themselves about extermination of the Jews."
I'm confused is he talking about the russians or the arabs
"We cannot disclose details of the inquiry, but it's chilling," Fadlon said. "It appears these are people living in this country who are talking among themselves about extermination of the Jews."
I'm confused is he talking about the russians or the arabs
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Israeli Police Baffled by Local neo-Nazi Ring (Posted 5/31/05)
5/31/05 Daily Maariv A little lesson in freedom from the Israelis:
Israeli police have discovered a ring of about 20 local neo-Nazis, young emigrants from the former Soviet Union, but are uncertain how to proceed against them as Israel has no specific laws against supporting Nazi beliefs, the Israeli daily Maariv reported Tuesday.
Why is this a lesson in freedom? Here is a country in which a majority of citizens belong to the same religious group that suffered 6 million deaths at the hands of the Nazi ideology. In fact, many of those who founded the state of Israel were survivors of this atrocity. These same people have enough respect for Freedom to allow this pathetic group of neo-Nazis to espouse their views freely. Meanwhile, if you venture outside of Israel, you can be killed for 'desecrating' a Koran, running for political office, criticizing the government, preaching, and in some cases (Saudi Arabia), practicing, another religion. The difference is so stark and so stunning that it is beyond comprehension that the media and international opinion is always against Israel. The Arab countries that sided with Germany during World War II and have engaged in a conventional and unconventional war with Israel for the last 50 years have the gall to fund news organizations that put out stories like this one from:
Israel accused of Nazi tactics
5/10/04 Al Jazeera Again, precisely the opposite is true. Mufti Al Husseini corroborated with Hitler and spread the ideology of Nazism and Fascism throughout the Middle East. Arafat continued where Husseini left off, doing Moscow's bidding. The Bathist parties of Syria and Iraq have Nazi roots as did the 'great Arab Nationalist', Egypt's Nasser. Socialism and Tyranny now rule the Middle East - see 'Arab Governments and Causes of Terrorism' for more.
This double standard applied to Israel is also consistently applied to the United States. Can you believe this question Terry Moran of ABC asked President Bush in a press conference today??!!:
"Mr. President, recently Amnesty International said that you have established a, quote, 'new gulag of prisons around the world beyond the reach of the law and decency.' I'd like your reaction to that, and also your assessment of how it came to this, that this is a view not just held by extremists and anti-Americans, but by groups that have allied themselves from the US government in the past, and what the strategic impact is that in many places in the world the United States these days under your leadership is no longer seen as the good guy?"
President Bush rightly called the Amnesty report 'absurd' and Vice President Cheney said, "I don't take them [Amnesty] seriously."
I don't take the mainstream press of this country serious either.
Returning to Israel, I think it was best said by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld:
Q [Palestinian Official]: Mr. Secretary, You talked about countries that were trying to produce weapons of mass destruction. You talked about Iraq and you talked about Iran and North Korea. I have a question, a direct question to you. What are you doing with Israel? As far as Israel is concerned, Israel has more atomic weapons in the region than any other country. Why do you remain silent in regard to Israel? I think it’s important to answer this question because this has to do with the world, the strategy that we are pursuing today. I think that if the position towards Israel were different then the situation would be different in the Near East, and this is a great problem.
Rumsfeld: You know the answer before I give it, I’m sure. The world knows the answer. We take the world like you find it; and Israel is a small state with a small population. It’s a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood that in many -- over a period of time has opined from time to time that they’d prefer it not be there and they’d like it to be put in the sea. And Israel has opined that it would prefer not to get put in the sea, and as a result, over a period of decades, it has arranged itself so it hasn’t been put in the sea.
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Thanks for the ping.
did you read it?
This is a great organization IMO. Rabbi Eckstein is an orthodox Rabbi of very high ethical standards who now lives in Israel. I have met him and heard him speak. He received his Rabbinate degree from a Rabbi considered one of the greats of his generation, Rabbi Solevechik.
For instance on Passover of 2004 The Fellowship hosted the Seder at a hotel in Tel Aviv for soldiers who were without family for the holiday and for families who had lost a family member to terror.
There are a small number of non-Jews who were allowed to immigrate to Israel from the FSU as an issue of family unification and humanitarian concerns. Also the FSU outlawed any Jewish education leaving generations bereft of any understanding, knowledge and love for Judaism. Hopefully now both for the Jews remaining in the FSU and for Jews who have been allowed to emigrate this will change.
Some people from the FSU were allowed to immigrate as a matter of family unification despite the fact that they were not Jewish. The Halachic standard of Judaism is not compromised by citizenship.
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Immigration and absorption facts & figures
Immigration to Israel from the FSU (former Soviet Union) for the first six months of 1996 totaled 28,755, which is almost identical to figures for the same period during the last four years. From September 1989 through June 1996, FSU immigration amounted to 139,161. The remaining Jewish population of the FSU has dropped significantly due to immigration to Israel. Following are the percentage of Jews in each region who have left for Israel since 1989, along with the approximate numbers of immigrants:
Russia - 20.0 % (184,000)
Ukraine - 24.0 % (174,500)
Belarus - 23.5 % (53,200)
Moldova - 47.4 % (39,600)
Baltic Republics - 26.7 % (16,400)
Central Asia, Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Georgia - 43.8 % (125.400)
Unknown (16,700).
The aliya from the FSU is the most educated in Israel's history. More than 40% of FSU immigrants have 13 or more years education, compared to 24% of veteran Israelis. 1989-1995 saw the arrival of 68,100 engineers, 14,590 physicians, 1,575 dentists, 15,500 musicians and artists, 14,231 nurses, 1,831 para-medicals, 1,606 pharmacists, 10,950 scientists and 30,900 teachers.
http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/soviet.html
In general the immigration has been a great sucess, 8 Neo-Nazis notwithstanding.
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