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What if India and China Unite?
World Net Daily ^ | May 30, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 05/30/2005 7:32:38 AM PDT by Jeff Head

Sources in Delhi said the recent visit to India of Chinese People’s Liberation Army Chief of Staff General Liang Guangli was aimed at working on an improved protocol described as "confidence building measures" between the two militaries, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

This is the first visit of a Chinese chief of staff in seven years. It is assumed by intelligence analysts that the Chinese and Indians are developing a protocol to prevent of accidental use of WMDs.

But what if it is more than that?

The warming of relations between China and India, the world's two biggest nations, is giving intelligence analysts in the West nightmares.

India, whose population is expected to surpass China's 1.2 billion some time in the next decade or two, has stopped eyeing Beijing as enemy No. 1.

In one of his meetings earlier this year with a top Indian official, the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, is reported to have remarked: "When we shake hands, the whole world will be watching."

Indeed he was right.

Together, the populations of the two giants equals more than a third of all the people on earth.

Without worrying about a threat from India, China is free to consider expansionist policies including, but not limited to, a move against Taiwan.

Separately, both China and India are becoming economic powerhouses. Together, acting in concert, they can make each other stronger – and the leaders of both nations openly acknowledge their preferences for cooperation rather than confrontation in what is being characterized as the dawn of the "Asian Century."

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KEYWORDS: china; dragonsfuryseries; india; iran; redchina; redchinathreat; sinoindianalliance; worldwariii; wwiii
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To: RebelTex

You are welcome. All of the recent news about strategic economic agreeemnts, Sino-Indian dominance in technoilogy in the next 20 years, joint military exercises, largest free trade zone, etc. are not just blowing in the wind. We had best be wary and making moves of our own with the Indians IMHO that are stronger and more appealing than what the Chinese are offering.


21 posted on 05/30/2005 8:05:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Euro-American Scum

Agreed...we better move directly and forthrightly...and quickly, to revers the trends, particularly as regards the Chinese.


22 posted on 05/30/2005 8:06:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Paul Ross; ConsentofGoverned; MrBambaLaMamba; TigerLikesRooster; HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii

FYI.


23 posted on 05/30/2005 8:09:25 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Brilliant

Well formed statement.


24 posted on 05/30/2005 8:12:42 AM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Brilliant

Well formed statement.


25 posted on 05/30/2005 8:13:00 AM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Jeff Head

Why does WingNutDaily seem more and more like a fiction site?


26 posted on 05/30/2005 8:14:18 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Jeff Head
Jeff...

Excerpt from Mein Kamph...Seventeen years before attack on Russia... For Hitler, the inevitable assault on Russia was to be the culmination of a long standing obsession. He had always wanted Russia's industries and agricultural lands as part of his Lebensraum or 'living space' for Germany and their Thousand Year Reich. Russia had been on Hitler's agenda since he wrote Mein Kampf some 17 years earlier where he stated: 'We terminate the endless German drive to the south and the west of Europe, and direct our gaze towards the lands in the east...If we talk about new soil and territory in Europe today, we can think primarily only of Russia.....

Russia was always his goal, Stalin knew it and "professed" his friendship for Germany. It was all a charade.

Hitler cleared his rear area and Stalin knew he was next.

Anyone that "befriends" China should read recent history.

27 posted on 05/30/2005 8:14:42 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Jeff Head

Guess we will have to build more Minuteman missiles for starters.


28 posted on 05/30/2005 8:16:58 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; desidude_in_us; Cronos; CarrotAndStick; razoroccam; Arjun; NEEO; ...

Faux Pan-Asian Solidarity Paranoia alert


29 posted on 05/30/2005 8:21:14 AM PDT by A Simple Soldier
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To: Eastbound

"How long before China pulls the economic chain and flushes us?"

Well, you just hold your breath on that one will ya?


30 posted on 05/30/2005 8:22:18 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (BUSH --- BUILD THOSE WALLS!)
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To: Jeff Head
Hmmm... what if India and China unites?

Well for one, the new 'Chinese' restaurants would suck - and secondly our dry cleaning would smell of curry.

No offense, just a joke.

31 posted on 05/30/2005 8:23:04 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Jeff Head

"We, the US, need to be much more proactive in keeping it from happening by forging our own closer ties with Inida IMHO."

Agreed.  A number of factors cause me concern.

  1. There is no love lost between India and Pakistan.
  2. China's pact with India (and both are nuclear club members)
  3. Pakistan (also a nuclear club member) is a strong US ally in the war on terror.

If Pakistan and India go to war, would China be drawn in on India's side?  Would the US be drawn in on Pakistan's side?  This possibility is all too real, IMHO.  And what are the chances of a nuclear exchange with all 4 countries having nuclear capability?

It seems like the situation is a tinderbox waiting for a match.

32 posted on 05/30/2005 8:25:51 AM PDT by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: Jeff Head
In other news

GOP to nominate Hillary in 2008.

33 posted on 05/30/2005 8:28:49 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Optional tagline)
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To: Jeff Head

Nah.

Nothing muich is likely to come outta this partnership, IMHO.
Many within and outside India realize that India and China are strategic rivals in the long term, not strategic partners. India's best chance of a longterm strat partnership is with the US and IMO it's likely to be a mutually beneficial relationship.


34 posted on 05/30/2005 8:30:47 AM PDT by voletti (Voletti)
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To: Jeff Head
...and yet we are giving Pakistan as much, if not more support that the Chinese. Clearly, we are not influencing the Indians to move towards us. The announcments by both nations (China and India's) top diplomats speak for themselves and should concern us greatly.

You have a good point, there are times I wonder if we are backing the wrong horse, Pakistan. I guess it is my skepticism of dealing with the Moslem world, we end up getting backstabbed there at some point. The other side of the coin is that if we back India, will she backstab us at some point? Maybe it is less likely but I am really concerned about something like this happening. I know I talked about this with my father and we both agree if we do get into a war with Red China alone let alone a possible India/Red China axis, we will have to resort to using nukes since we will have no choice due to the mass of humanity they can throw at us. Doubly so for the Russians, at least we have the luxury of having two oceans to protect us from invasion but they can just walk into Russia. I remember as a kid 30 years ago, my father said there we so many Chinese that if I started shooting a machine gun at an attacking force of them, I would die of old age and they will still be coming. If this happens, if I'm fortunate enough to get married and have a child/children, when I croak, they will take over and die of old age. B-P

I know Red China and India have fought wars so maybe we are jumping the gun a bit but who knows?
35 posted on 05/30/2005 8:32:54 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Jeff Head

Ah, time for the weekly pants-wetting China panic article.

People mistake diplomatic glad-handing and press releases for real deep-rooted alliance all the time.


36 posted on 05/30/2005 8:36:03 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Jeff Head
The warming of relations between China and India, the world's two biggest nations, is giving intelligence analysts in the West nightmares.

I'd be surprised if an incompetent twit like Farah actually knows or regularly talks to REAL "intelligence analysts" rather than pretend ones like Farah.

37 posted on 05/30/2005 8:37:18 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: hlmencken3
Why does WingNutDaily seem more and more like a fiction site?

Because it's primary goal is to tell people what they want to hear.

And no, contrary to popular opinion, people don't want to be told good news. That want to be told bad news that supports axes they want to grind.

38 posted on 05/30/2005 8:38:17 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: jwh_Denver
You are right.

Recently a friend speculated about China somehow calling in its loans to the US. Well, the US government does not owe debts that are callable by the creditors. It issues bonds, and the US gov't is in the driver's seat when it comes to those bonds. If there are any callable bonds, they are callable by the US government.

What we are doing with our trade with China may be akin to selling off inherited wealth to buy stuff and becoming indebted for consumer goods, but none of this (by itself) puts China in control of us. If anything, China becomes invested in our continued ability to repay these debts. If China starts a war and we end up on the other side, the first thing our governmnet will do is seize Chinese assets, including China's US bonds. Being the generous folks we are, we would probably let them have the bonds back after the war (if we win), and start paying interest again. Heck, we would probably pay interest into escrow accounts and pay the interest after the war, along with rebuilding their country.

The only problem with this analysis is that it presumes that China's leaders are rational or reasonable. If their power is ever threatened by domestic unrest, and they need a war (say, a quick victory against Taiwan) to sew up support, then all best are off. Holding power comes above all else. I would not count on Chinese leaders to ever do what Gorbachev and his ilk did, letting go of power.

39 posted on 05/30/2005 8:39:36 AM PDT by Montfort (President George Allen)
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To: Strategerist

Right O! Press briefings are just meant for public consumption, your everyday pair of rose-coloured glasses. Behind the scenes, the ones who control India's levers and cranks know their real enemy is China, and will act accordingly. India is not expanding its military to hunt foxes. Likewise with China.


40 posted on 05/30/2005 8:40:29 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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