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LIVE Thread: France votes on EU Constitution [Schadenfreude Alert]
Various ^ | May 29, 2005 | nwrep

Posted on 05/29/2005 8:21:52 AM PDT by nwrep

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Initial reports show a turnout of 25%. Last polls before voting began show the No vote leading by 56% to 44%.


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KEYWORDS: euconstitution; france
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UMP speaker

French said many things must chang.

The imobility of fear fo the EU.

French said much change so the EU will move forward faster. (?) The cannons of the EU were not make with the individual citizen in mind. We need to change laws so that jobs are made and that corporations do not leave our shores. We can not hide behind our little finger to reality.

A new program must be made that is bold and pragmatic.

This is a lost opportunity today.


141 posted on 05/29/2005 1:39:34 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: anonymoussierra

Good news ~ Bump!


142 posted on 05/29/2005 1:40:00 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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Thes UMP guy is just whining and demanding...


in a nutshell the voters are to blame.


143 posted on 05/29/2005 1:40:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Now Jean-Marie Le Pen is up. I'm sure he's thoroughly enjoying himself!


144 posted on 05/29/2005 1:41:53 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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le Penn is talking


people of france put france first.

Le Penn is calling for new government elections tommorrow..


145 posted on 05/29/2005 1:42:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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One greek comentator said that it would not be surprising for the EU to delay or deny Turkey's EU membership campaign.


146 posted on 05/29/2005 1:46:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yep---since George Bush gave a hugh speech advocating the admittance of Turkey into the EU....

IT IS ALL GEORGE BUSHS FAULT!!!!


147 posted on 05/29/2005 1:50:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: longtermmemmory

Baghdad Broadcasting Corp (BBC):

"However, many experts say the failure of the constitution would cause a grave crisis within the union, leaving it divided, confused and condemned to a period of stagnation.

So....nothing will change, then!


148 posted on 05/29/2005 1:53:05 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: motorola7

Jean Pierre Raffarin (PM) to likely resign this week.


149 posted on 05/29/2005 1:58:05 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: longtermmemmory
One greek comentator said that it would not be surprising for the EU to delay or deny Turkey's EU membership campaign

They were never going to let Turkey in. It was just an empty promise to get them to turn on the US in the buildup to Iraq.

150 posted on 05/29/2005 2:04:38 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist
What sadly many Americans don't get - being that most are under educated on foreign events and get most of their news from sub par sources such as talk radio personalities - is that the EU is no going towards "Socialisim" per say. In fact the French are voting 'NON' for the most part because the EU will end govt subsidies. The EU forces divestment of govt owned and supported business for the most part. What the EU does represent that does strike Americans as "Socialist" is examples of homogenization and standardization by (what you correctly called them) Eurocrats.

What the EU is striving for is a heavily regulated free market eurocracy.

151 posted on 05/29/2005 2:16:27 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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The EU comentary is basically trying to spin the figures.

44% of french voters support the EU constitution and they can not be ignored.

Will re-evaluation the situation.


152 posted on 05/29/2005 2:17:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Destro

The comentators are all ignoring the anger of the french farmers at the stagnation of farm subsidies.


153 posted on 05/29/2005 2:19:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Gosh, you mean Europe has commentators that "spin" election results?

Wow---what a shame, we don't have anyone that spins here!!

/sarcasm-ON


154 posted on 05/29/2005 2:20:09 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Destro
In fact the French are voting 'NON' for the most part because the EU will end govt subsidies. The EU forces divestment of govt owned and supported business for the most part.

There is that side of the EU. But, aren't trade restrictions actually increased under the EU. For example, I remember reading about how the EU was forcing cheese makers to stop calling a certain cheese by its French name (I can't remember which) since it wasn't made in that region? It seems to me that the EU is taking away certain restrictions but imposing many restrictions on others.

155 posted on 05/29/2005 2:29:34 PM PDT by raybbr
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Correct - that is what I meant by "What the EU does represent that does strike Americans as "Socialist" is examples of homogenization and standardization by (what you correctly called them) Eurocrats."

Also, sadly some Americans who follow EU issues closely but through hackneed news sources like talk radio are influenced by End Time fundamentalist theories that the EU will be the land of the Anti-Christ so it also distorts their view of the real situation/issues faced by the EU.

156 posted on 05/29/2005 2:36:45 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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One greek comentator is saying that this should have been a europe wide vote on the exact same day done by all citizens of europe. THAT would have been a true european vote.

Other comentator is saying that europe must be a collection of treaties and agreements. He also said the EU must be DIPLOMATICALLY as one.


157 posted on 05/29/2005 2:38:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
EU must be DIPLOMATICALLY as one.

One EU, One UN seat?

158 posted on 05/29/2005 2:46:19 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (</liberal> It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: the anti-liberal

One UN seat would be the logical extension.

But I would think that would require Britain to adopt the euro.


159 posted on 05/29/2005 2:57:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: anonymoussierra

My it has been a very good day! Now the Dutch vote June 1!

Thanks for all the pings Sara!


160 posted on 05/29/2005 3:03:40 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pinging 72 virgins. Pinging 72 virgins.)
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