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Live Filibuster Thread Tuesday
CSPAN ^ | May 24, 2005 | AliVeritas

Posted on 05/24/2005 6:55:47 AM PDT by AliVeritas

FReepers be prepared for surprises today.

(Excerpt) Read more at c-span.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster; ussenate
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To: Chuck54

yes I think you have it!


2,121 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:03 PM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: SandyInSeattle

"Move to Seattle! We only need our a/c for two weeks out of the year."

Yeah and your umbrellas the other 50!


2,122 posted on 05/24/2005 3:02:54 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: Chuck54
That's the deal, but we all know that the Dems won't keep their side of the "compromise" and that most, if not all of the GOP gang of 7 are wussies and idiots and traitors.

Please don't post all in bold. :-)

2,123 posted on 05/24/2005 3:03:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Peach

Warner will be on with Brit this evening - 6 PM FNC.


2,124 posted on 05/24/2005 3:03:08 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Mo1

That too. :-)


2,125 posted on 05/24/2005 3:03:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: San Jacinto
Here is the key -- Frist would have to have all of the votes of the Republican 48 Senators who were not part of the Deal, PLUS at least two of the Dirty 7 who were in on the Deal in order to rule the filibuster illegal. Otherwise, the Constitutional Option fails and this is a huge victory for the Rats.

Frist will force the issue to a vote. There is no guarantee that the Constitutional Nuclear Byrd Option will pass, but the Senators will be on record.

I'm not sure how much is lost if that vote failed. The base would be very angry at the Senators who voted against it. You think they are pissed today, whoa! And you can bet they know it, now. Nope. The next time this comes up, the battlefield is a completely new one. If the DEMs retain the tool of minority obstruction to the president's preference of officers, then the Constitution will have taken a big hit.

2,126 posted on 05/24/2005 3:04:09 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Chuck54
The only problem is that the Dims will filibuster an upcoming nominee with the same arguments they just used. To radical, out of the mainstream,etc.etc. The rinos will then be forced into the same predicament as they just were and the process will start all over again. The Senate will be in danger, the Right wing is staging a coup, blah blah blah and the Rinos will cave in again in the interest of the Senate.
2,127 posted on 05/24/2005 3:05:12 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: nopardons

Sorry about that, meant to cut it off after line 1.


2,128 posted on 05/24/2005 3:05:14 PM PDT by Chuck54 (Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway. - Harper Lee)
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To: conservativebabe

Well.... that's what we tell everyone so they won't move here.

It's actually a beautiful day today. Nice day for a walk on the waterfront.


2,129 posted on 05/24/2005 3:05:36 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Cboldt

Graham and DeWine are already backing off the seven!


2,130 posted on 05/24/2005 3:05:38 PM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: nopardons

FNC is reporting that Bolton should be voted on by the end of the week

That the Dems don't have the numbers to stop the vote


2,131 posted on 05/24/2005 3:06:19 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: All

New poll on sidebar! Allen , Mc sh**head, Or Frist for President!


2,132 posted on 05/24/2005 3:06:35 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry ("Harry Reid in stripes, I kinda like that image." -Tagline courtesy of DFU. Thanks!)
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To: Txsleuth
Ask miss Cleo what's the future of the filibuster!
2,133 posted on 05/24/2005 3:06:45 PM PDT by mojojockey
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To: Chuck54
If a filibuster occurs, the deal is off. Is this the gist of the agreement?

As I understand it, it is not written that the Deal is off if a filibuster occurs--but that may be implied.

The "deal is off" if and only if a sufficient number of the Dirty 7 declare it to be off.

In other words, Frist would have to garner 50 Votes to sustain a point of order challenging the judicial filibuster. At least 2 of those votes would have to be from among the Dirty 7.

2,134 posted on 05/24/2005 3:06:55 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: SandyInSeattle

Never been to your lovely city. I am sure I will someday. Been hotter than normal for this time of year in CO lately. 90's last few days.


2,135 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:12 PM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: defconw

They must know they have made a big mistake. They are not McCain and they will not get the pass that he always seems to get.


2,136 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:13 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: defconw

I am trying to cheer myself up too and remain positive. We need to laugh like crazy at stupid things like The Three Stooges or some of the typo's that freepers make. I have LOL so much today I have a tummy ache. When freepers get mad and try to vet they type too fast and give us endless hours of hysterical laughter. That is why even the gloom and doomers tickle the hell out of me.


2,137 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:22 PM PDT by samantha (relax the grownups are in charge (I think).....)
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To: badgerbengal

Yes, and in the meantime we have Owen, Brown, and Pryor sitting on the bench and will not be defending ourselves on the Sunday talks threads about "going nukular".


2,138 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:38 PM PDT by Chuck54 (Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway. - Harper Lee)
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To: Light And Truth
You're getting three of your nominees and you've got Lindsey Graham on Hannity basically saying "look, if the Senate votes on three right-wing judges, well, that's hardly an extraordinary circumstance now. So if the Dems play games we can still go nuclear." Sounds to me like conservatives have a place at the table. The problem seems to be more that conservatives want to eat all the food at the table without any regard for anyone else. Really, reading these filibuster threads, I haven't seen so much self-pity and boo-hooing since C-SPAN last aired an NAACP convention. Everyone around here needs to stop playing the persecution card. It's nauseating. Compromise is part of politics, but not extremism. And it's clear from looking around who cares more about governing and who wants to be part of an ideologically pure, 42-member minority.

Neither you nor the rest of the moderate Republicans have any idea where this is going. I hold a fairly important party position in one of the Mountain States. In that role, I'm in charge of the get out the vote effort for the swing county in that state. In 2004, I ran an organization of hundreds of volunteers for get out the vote here. A few observations:

(1) Moderates do not participate to any significant extent in get out the vote campaigns. At least 85% of my volunteers (and probably a lot more) were from the very conservative wing of the party;

(2) Of those participating in the gotv campaign in 2004 here, the number one issue was judges and they watch that issue very closely. They were out walking in 10 degree weather to get a supreme court that does not ram the East coast multicultural agenda down their throats as constitutional law.

(3) If yesterday's compromise is a predictor of how the supreme court nominees will be handled, things look pretty grim for us conservatives. The logic is straightforward. Currently, the Court has three conservatives and six liberals. Given the resignations coming, we have to run the table, or things stay just about the same on the supreme court. We are losing one conservative and may have two more appointments coming up. To achieve a conservative majority on the Court, we need to bat 1.000 on the three Supreme Court nominees. Without a conservative majority, NOTHING will change on the Court and America will continue its steady leftward drift by judical fiat. So you can see why, on this issue, we are sensitive about compromise. If its we get 2 and the RINO's get 1, we have lost completely and the loss will be there for 20 years as the new supreme court keeps moving our nation ever leftward.

(4) In 2006, I am going to have to recruit volunteers to, again, walk precincts in ten degree weather. If the R's don't win this issue 100% (for the reasons I discussed above), it's not at all clear to me that the volunteers will be there. I will be looking at a deeply reduced volunteer base. (The moderates won't step up, despite their glorious victory yesterday. They never do.) And, I cannot say that I blame them. They will have walked for two straight election cycles to achieve a conservative supreme court and then watched as their leaders threw it away. Why work to reelect the same ol' same ol' and to achieve nothing? I'll be hard pressed to counter that argument because, right now, there is no counter. Yes, I can talk about the war on terrorism and taxes and the modification of the bankruptcy act and tort reform. What has happened there are good. But if I cannot make a good case on judges, I won't be doing much convincing because without a conservative supreme court, the rest of it is fingers in the dike.

Conclusion: The Republicans are looking at a collapse of their GOTV effort in 2006 unless they very rapidly repair the damage the moderates did to their party yesterday. Otherwise, 2006 is shaping up as a repeat of 1992, when conservatives stayed home in disgust over Bush I's reneging on the no new taxes pledge.

2,139 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:51 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Chuck54
Okay...but did you use spell check? That kind of mistake will usually show up there, or use PREVIEW and it absolutely WILL show up there. :-)

It's a simple error and I wasn't SCREAMING at ya; just letting you know.

2,140 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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