Posted on 05/24/2005 6:55:47 AM PDT by AliVeritas
FReepers be prepared for surprises today.
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Per Howard Dean-Bernie Sanders is not really a Socialist--more of a Liberal Democrat.
OMG you are right. I had almost forgotten.
LOL
Take the 7 out of the mix and you only have 36 Democrats, 1 Independent and 1 Socialist.
Takes 41 to filibuster.
Exactly right. And only 2 of 'our' 7 (Graham and Dewine) would have to join in the nuclear option.
Everybody get it yet?
Yes, it would take 3 and, according to Graham, the deal is off if 1 of the 7 filibusters. You see the point?
What matters most to me is that Frist is not a signator to this deal; nor is the President bound by it. That's all I care about. the deal means nothing. Frist controls the floor schedule and he can bring any nominee to a vote that he chooses to.
Without 3 of the 7, they couldn't pull it off.
Keeps getting interestinger.
Oh, is he disagreeing w/his 13 new friends? And is he resigning from the cabal? Has he broken w/McCain and seen the light...of not being re-elected?
Are we supposed to nominate him for his profile in courage now that he has most definitely disagreed w/his constituents?
Does he HAVE any friends in SC now?
Sounds like you were taking a Harlequin Romance break.
Dean is an absolute lunatic. I don't see how even his own party can take him seriously.
Of course as Savage says, Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Ding, ding. A winner.:-)
I know this is going to go over poorly here, but I listened to DeWine in the news conference with Hatch and Spector, and he sounded reasonable. And his quotes in the paper are consistant, that he expects this agreement will END the filibusters, and if it doesn't he will join the nuclear option group.
The nuclear option was NOT (for most of us) the END. It was a MEANS to an end, and frankly not a good one (it was necesary, but not good). The END was to end the filibuster and get votes.
And at the moment we have votes. We will have to see how many, and whether the agreement will hold (Spector or Hatch called it more of a truce than an agreement). It may turn out to be a terrible deal, but it sounds like at least two of the 7 republicans are ready to dump the deal if it doesn't end the filibusters.
If that is the case, we just traded NOTHING (a vote we weren't sure of which had consequences we couldn't predict) for votes on judges.
It's like we wanted someone to let us cross a bridge. They said no. We argued for a while. Then we said "If you don't let us pass, we will hit you in the nose". Then they said "We will let you pass now, but in the future we might change our mind."
Some against this deal would argue that we didn't get to hit the obstructionist so we lost. I would argue that we didn't really want to hit him, just to get passed, and we did that.
Santorum admitted that one guy wasn't getting a vote. I'm sure it was Saad. Saad committed the ultimate crime for a nominee -- he spoke evil of a Senator (in an e-mail). The Senate is like a country club of stuck-up narcissists. They stick together, and they don't like uppity nominees or witnesses.
There is a reason nominees stay silent. Senators are snobs.
If we end up with a vote on Myers, we will have lost only the nominees who dropped out, and the nominee who messed up. That looks a lot better than it looked a week ago when we had no certainty of getting votes on ANY nominee.
I will concede that those for whom the goal was to crush the opposition, this was a bad deal. I think we need to keep our eyes on the goal. Don't let the other team's trash-talk distract from our scoring opportunities.
Let's fill the vacancies with judges who practice judicial restraint.
Sanders is a SINO.
I think he just screwed himself pretty good.
Some of us "get it", and we have worked very hard to get majorities in our legislatures both state and federal to make sure that pro life Judges who are almost 100 percent "follow the Constitution" types. Our hard work has been nullified by 7 pieces of human debris.
Oh, my, did you just yell at me?
Yeah. It's called Senator-speak.
Other posts right around this vicinity have covered the ground better than I have, but basically, Graham will consider a DEM filibuster as violation of the agreement. If they filibuster, then he will vote with Frist on the nuclear option.
It doesn't matter what words he puts to it. All that matters is the vote. ;-)
I have NEVER read even one of those trashy books! Never will.
He did this already on the floor of the senate.
You, my fellow Nutmegger, are 100% correct.
OOOOH Good! Haven't seen any T.V. today.
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