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Live Filibuster Thread Tuesday
CSPAN ^ | May 24, 2005 | AliVeritas

Posted on 05/24/2005 6:55:47 AM PDT by AliVeritas

FReepers be prepared for surprises today.

(Excerpt) Read more at c-span.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster; ussenate
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To: onyx
The pulled off a real coup yesterday.

They said they were pulling a coup. The king isn't dead. In fact, he didn't even get scratched, yet. Watch the votes, not the smoke and mirrors.

1,281 posted on 05/24/2005 10:31:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: steveegg

On your voting list, 18 moonbats voted "no". WA, MA, MI and NJ had both Senators vote no. Senators Lincoln and Dorgan voted no and they are in Red States.


1,282 posted on 05/24/2005 10:32:22 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Forget Blackwell for Governor! Blackwell for Senate '06!)
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To: YaYa123
Buchanan this morning on Imus gave the same advice to Frist that Rush is giving. He said Frist should immediately put up the names of the rest of the nominees for votes.

He also pointed out how this will make or break those 7 RINO's who will then have to vote either nay or aye each time a name is brought to the floor. Thus, these self-appointed "statesmen" will be forced to choose sides and thereby expose themselves to their constituents. Let push come to shove now!

1,283 posted on 05/24/2005 10:32:52 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: steveegg

Any reason for Iouye not voting?


1,284 posted on 05/24/2005 10:33:24 AM PDT by Carolinamom (US Senate: UN on the Potomac)
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To: Cboldt


Minority rules now. THAT is a fact, at this point.


1,285 posted on 05/24/2005 10:33:28 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you for the pictures..... what do you think ? separated at birth ?


1,286 posted on 05/24/2005 10:33:47 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: onyx

protection of minority rights is a republic.

minority rule is tyranny.


1,287 posted on 05/24/2005 10:34:09 AM PDT by johnb838 (Liberalism = Leninism.... Liberalism = Bolshevism)
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To: Cboldt

Your insight and commentary have been excellent and the voice of sanity. Thank you.

We begin this deal by getting our three appellate judges confirmed.

Meanwhile, we have hope and opportunity of getting social security reform passed and the tax cuts made permanent. Had the constitutional option been exercised this week, the likelihood of the Bush legislative agenda getting through the Senate would have greatly diminished. So, in essence, both Frist and the White House are buying time.

Get the major legislation enacted this summer, and then return to the remaining 7 judges and we'll see the bad faith from the RATS.

I still think this "deal" is better for the GOP than the RATS, because the American people will not stand for a well-qualified Supreme Court nominee to be filibustered.


1,288 posted on 05/24/2005 10:34:22 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: You Dirty Rats
never suggested that Frist be "coddled". To blame him for McRat's disloyalty is to blame the victim. Furthermore, Frist's position that all of the nominees deserve a vote is exactly right. He deserves continuing support, since the battle is by no means over. Frist is not stupid. He is very well aware how angry the base is over the continued obstruction of the votes -- first by the 'Rats, now by turncoat 'Pubs. Do you honestly think the man isn't absolutely furious with McRat? Please!!

Bump for Truth

Treason is the Reason

1,289 posted on 05/24/2005 10:34:22 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: You Dirty Rats
I simply told him that as a Republican voter, I'm sick of my conservative vote being wasted when the Republicans hand it over to the Dems.

Now, as a leader among the Republicans....he can take that criticism any way that he wants!

He is MY elected senator and so it is only appropriate that I contact him as a constituent.

1,290 posted on 05/24/2005 10:34:37 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Carolinamom
Any reason for Iouye not voting?

You got me. Of course, if he were a Pubbie, he'd lose the day's pay.

1,291 posted on 05/24/2005 10:35:45 AM PDT by steveegg (Will the "extraordinary" line have the name Owen, Brown or Pryor attached to it?)
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To: johnb838
If they think Bush is going to hand over the prerogatives of the Presidency to a bunch of misfit crapweasals, they've got another think coming.

Absodamnlutely!
I can't wait until the president submits another judge (without conferring) who is a solid conservative and whose credentials the Dems can't deny.

1,292 posted on 05/24/2005 10:35:46 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: Cboldt

How much power does Frist have? Can he call up all the nominees for an up or down vote? Do they have to be done one at a time?


1,293 posted on 05/24/2005 10:36:08 AM PDT by woofie ("Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!!")
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To: MamaLucci
"when the President sends up controversial, and devisive" nominees, he will reap what he sows". Lincoln Chaffee May 24, 2005

I heard him, as did the audience, and was relieved he received very very little applause after making that statement. Their idea of a controversial nominee is anyone who is conservative suggesting that a conservative President should nominate those who do not share his views.

1,294 posted on 05/24/2005 10:39:30 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: LIConFem

Here's the Deal
from theWashington Prowler
Published 5/24/2005

A victory for Republicans? Too many promises? Can Rehnquist now retire? Guess who thinks he can move on up...


"There is no way this agreement that breaks Democratic obstruction can be spun any way other than as a victory for Republicans and the Bush Administration," said a Republican Senate leadership aide late Monday night, regarding the agreement reached by 14 senators to avert a showdown vote on the so-called nuclear option that would have ended Democratic filibustering of Bush judicial nominees.

"The parameters of the deal insure that six of eight obstructed Bush nominees to the federal judiciary will receive an up or down confirmation vote in the Senate. The three most opposed Bush nominees to the court, Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor, will not have their nominations blocked any longer; also, three other Bush nominees will eventually receive an up or down confirmation vote as well; the only two nominees who still may be filibustered are Michigan judge Henry Saad and William Myers.




Also as part of the compromise, the Democrat moderates promise to prevent any future filibuster of Bush appeals court and Supreme Court nominees. While Democrats were able to have their "extraordinary circumstances" clause inserted in the deal, no one anticipates that such a situation will arise, assuming Democrats keep their promise. And it appears that a number of promises were being tossed around the negotiation room on Monday afternoon... read more



Extraordinary Circumstances
from theWashington Prowler
Published 5/18/2005

Senate Democrats decide to pretend to deal on judges. Plus: Frist dissed -- by his own.



Democratic Senators Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Mark Pryor (Ark.) have discussed with their leader, Sen. Harry Reid, just how he would define "extraordinary circumstances" in the context of a deal with moderate Republicans to end the Democrats' filibuster-lite. (Yes, lite: not a single Democrat has extended his stay on the floor of the Senate beyond normal legislative working hours since the election last November -- at least those Princeton students carried on 'round the clock.)



The meaning of "extraordinary circumstances," or at least how Democrats would interpret those two words, may ultimately decide whether a deal gets done to sidestep the demolition of Democratic obstruction on the President's judicial nominees. Republican Senators Lisa Murkowski and Chuck Hagel have been hesitant to sign on to any deal that would bar Republicans from using the so-called "nuclear option" to break Democrats' obstruction at any time in the next year, in return for an ill-defined promise by Democrats to use the obstructionist tactics only in "extraordinary circumstances."...read more


http://www.spectator.org/index.asp


1,295 posted on 05/24/2005 10:39:31 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: TNdandelion

All I can say is that your Senator Frist is a much better Senator than the sorry Sonovich and DeWanker that represent my state! If you don't want Frist anymore than we'll trade you our two wobblies for him.


1,296 posted on 05/24/2005 10:39:34 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Forget Blackwell for Governor! Blackwell for Senate '06!)
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To: Cboldt
More coming, I'm sure

They better .. because it sure sounds like Sen. Ego McCain and his gang are power hungry

1,297 posted on 05/24/2005 10:39:36 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: woofie

How much power does Frist have? Can he call up all the nominees for an up or down vote? Do they have to be done one at a time?

Yes he can do that! He probably will!


1,298 posted on 05/24/2005 10:40:11 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: wolf24

I have gone from Pissed to confused to happy to pissed to happy to What's next? Today! LOL What did Tony say?


1,299 posted on 05/24/2005 10:41:52 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: StarFan; onyx; OXENinFLA

In all the discussions since last night, has anyone seen any comments about why Specter wasn't a part of this group? If I had to guess between he and Warner joining the cabal..I'd have guessed Arlen..


1,300 posted on 05/24/2005 10:41:55 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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