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LIVE Senate Filibuster Thread ~ Day 4
C-span ^ | 5-23-05 | US Senate

Posted on 05/23/2005 8:14:11 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

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To: defconw; Quaker

For sure.

LABELS matter--especially in our media addicted society where impressions, symbols, words, etc. carry such power.

Witness INFANTICIDE turned into CHOICE! Sheesh!

That's why I insist on calling the

implant idea--getting chipped--what it really is--

getting SLAGGED--SLave tAGGED!


121 posted on 05/23/2005 9:07:47 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Soul Seeker

I read this weekend that included in one of the compromises that didn't make it, was a provision to move one of the nominees to the 9th Circuit from the one that President Bush had nominated the judge for...

Wonder if they were trying to ship Justice Brown to the 9th instead of the more prestigious DC Court of Appeals?


122 posted on 05/23/2005 9:08:24 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: jackbill

For sure!

Or every patriotic Senator to take out cheese and crackers and an empty wine glass whenever a DIMRAT started talking.


123 posted on 05/23/2005 9:08:56 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Quix

Labels matter to a point, but my beef is someone getting on here and calling Senator Frist a RINO. Ticks me off!


124 posted on 05/23/2005 9:09:51 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Coop

I figure he's been compromised one way or another by the puppet masters a long time ago. The impeachment cinched it, for me


125 posted on 05/23/2005 9:10:02 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Txsleuth

I believe that is a safe bet. The SC Court has more influence. Shipping Brown to the circus puts her in a controlled minority. It would associate her with those nuts, and damage possible elevation to the highest court.


126 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:02 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Txsleuth

Ahhhh.

I usually have the sound off. Hate noise. Have closed captioning on.

Ah well, Glad it works for you!


127 posted on 05/23/2005 9:11:32 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: af_vet_1981; All
Scenario #1 - Republicans try to explain that the Constitution does not require a super majority for advice and consent, etc, etc. and the Republicans "pull the trigger" on the nuclear option, the up or down votes take place, and the press castigates the Republicans for "changing the traditions of the sacred Senate rules." Republicans are viewed as majority bullies.

Scenario #2 - Dems start a filibuster; it goes on for days and the only thing the press can show are videos of "Sheets" Byrd talking about his choice of kitty feed. Republicans hammer the Constitutional requirement for advice and consent (not super majority, filibuster never been used like this before, etc, etc.) The filibuster ends because the Dems finally see the reality of their obstructionist position and the up-down vote takes place.

Which of these is better for us in the long run?

128 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:05 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: defconw

I think it would have to be a multivolume series because there's so much material against elected officials and their treason alone!

Then we have the courts and the media and even some in the military. Sheesh.

NO country in recorded history has been so suicidal as we are now.


129 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:17 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Quix

Bunning- Last fall the American people spoke clearly. High turnout..American people choice G.W.B. as president. And American people created 55 Republican Majority by electing 7 new Republican Senators. message sent clear. Support President Bush and Republican Senators more than what other side had to offer.


130 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:17 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Quix

Wow, I didn't know it was closed captioned, cool, learn something every time I get on here!


131 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:22 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: mwl1
mwl1
You are missing an important consideration pertaining to Senate rules and procedure. If we go for a full-fledged filibuster on each nominee, only one RAT has to be present talking for hours on end, while the majority caucus has to be present at essentially all times.
I used to believe that too.

But why was a motion for cloture filed on Friday and the actual cloture vote couldn't occur until Tuesday morning?

Debate can be ended either by unanomous consent, which can happen any time, or by cloture. And cloture requires 60 votes to close debate. But if I understand the rules as they are now, that doesn't mean that all the Republicans have to be present the whole time that debate is happening. The aren't all there right now. The weren't all there on any day last week. They don't have to be there until a vote is scheduled, and there's a roll call vote on a procedural motion this afternoon, and a cloture vote scheduled for tomorrow morning.

If that fails, the smart thing to do is to schedule another cloture vote in two days, and to continue to debate the nominee. But forget about changing the rules in the middle of the game. That's what the Dems want because that will be unpopular and the Dems and their media buddies can use that against the Republicans any time they want. Why give them that to beat us over the head with?

Most filibusters are eventually broken. Filibusters against popular items are usually broken quickly. The Dems can't hold this one for long. It will hurt them. The only thing giving them hope now is if they can make it hurt the Republicans worse. What's sad is the Republicans are looking for a way to hurt themselves.

132 posted on 05/23/2005 9:13:31 AM PDT by cc2k
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To: Quix

Such a project would kill ALOT of trees!


133 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:05 AM PDT by defconw ( Vote Up or Down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Bahbah

Good. Am in my friend's basement in the midwest. No TV down here.


134 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:10 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Cboldt
I agree, but can the dems now invoke cloture after pounding away for years that these judges are to extreme for the bench?

Or will they use the angle that they're only allowing these judges through in order to keep the filibuster tradition alive and if they didn't the nasty Republicans will blow up the Senate (making us the bad guys)?
135 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:14 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Soul Seeker

Well then lucky it was also not agreed to--

Yesterday, McCain said that the "compromise committee" would meet again tonight, probably for the last time before the cloture vote--

Do you reacon that is one reason also, that Frist said it was going to be a long, long night? It would be funny if it was--


136 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:51 AM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: kinsman redeemer
Scenario #2 - Dems start a filibuster; it goes on for days and the only thing the press can show are videos of "Sheets" Byrd talking about his choice of kitty feed. Republicans hammer the Constitutional requirement for advice and consent (not super majority, filibuster never been used like this before, etc, etc.) The filibuster ends because the Dems finally see the reality of their obstructionist position and the up-down vote takes place.

Never gonna happen.

137 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:54 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Milhous

Thanks. Great graphic.


138 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:21 AM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Soul Seeker
It is the responsibility of the public to do further research if they do not trust in the assigned label. If they have no desire to do so, or lack time, this is the tool they latch onto. While not perfect, it serves its purpose.

A common activity on FR is arguing over the application of a label (e.g., is Frist a RINO?), and the energy spent arguing over application of a label passes for reasoned discourse about the underlying issue(s).

The same crap happens with other labels, FWIW. Like "filibuster." I agree, labels can serve good purpose. I just laugh when labels become a purpose unto themselves.

139 posted on 05/23/2005 9:16:05 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Txsleuth

LOL, Bunning says that the crisis on the bench is that too many judges act like they are in Congress and legislate from the bench. He is being about as candid as I have ever seen a Senator be.


140 posted on 05/23/2005 9:16:08 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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