[JeffAtlanta]

Hey Jeff, I was referring to the USA, not Rome in decline.

That wasn't Rome in decline. It was Rome at its highest point.

[XR7]

That wasn't Rome in decline. It was Rome at its highest point.

So pagan Rome is our ideal?

[Antoninus]

That wasn't Rome in decline. It was Rome at its highest point.

Tiberius and his "minnows" are Rome at its highest point for you? Please. Deviants like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero (who castrated and married a boy, btw), Elagaballus, etc. were able to exist at all because of the hundreds of years of worth of capital Roman discipline and militarism had been able to store up. Once that capital was ennervated and depleted by vice that permeated practically all of Roman society, they became like the Eastern potentates--dependant on money and mercenaries to cling to an ever-shrinking empire.

In the US, we're currently living off of the capital of our heroic ancestors. That's why a Commodus-like figure like Bill Clinton could be president and the nation still survive. However, we've got to renew our dedication to true manliness and virtue. Porn is not part of that agenda. I for one never met a "gentleman" at a gentleman's club.