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To: JeffAtlanta
That wasn't Rome in decline. It was Rome at its highest point.

Tiberius and his "minnows" are Rome at its highest point for you? Please. Deviants like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero (who castrated and married a boy, btw), Elagaballus, etc. were able to exist at all because of the hundreds of years of worth of capital Roman discipline and militarism had been able to store up. Once that capital was ennervated and depleted by vice that permeated practically all of Roman society, they became like the Eastern potentates--dependant on money and mercenaries to cling to an ever-shrinking empire.

In the US, we're currently living off of the capital of our heroic ancestors. That's why a Commodus-like figure like Bill Clinton could be president and the nation still survive. However, we've got to renew our dedication to true manliness and virtue. Porn is not part of that agenda. I for one never met a "gentleman" at a gentleman's club.
489 posted on 05/19/2005 9:25:03 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Antoninus
Tiberius and his "minnows" are Rome at its highest point for you?

As a world power, yes. That is what is meant when someone says "nation X was at its peak" or "country Y is in decline". It's a function of military might and world influence. For example, Germany as a world power was at its peak under Hilter.

If you had followed the thread, the original poster proclaimed that sexual relations with children was a modern phenononom. I pointed out that it wasn't and used Tiberius as an example from 2000 years ago. Rather than admitting that she was wrong, she tried to dismiss the example by saying that Rome was in decline. Even if true, how does that matter? The fact is that adult sexual relations with children has existed for a LONG time.

495 posted on 05/19/2005 11:07:23 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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