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(DAY-2) LIVE U.S. SENATE "Nuclear" THREAD: for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
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Posted on 05/18/2005 10:21:08 PM PDT by davidosborne

Text Credit to Ken5050: DAY-1 THREAD

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; 8hoursearly; constitutionaloption; democratnukereaction; filibuster; may19th2005; obstructionistdems; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown
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To: Howlin
"I can't tell who is telling the truth anymore"

The one who is not talking is not telling a lie. :-)

841 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:04 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: kacres; Carolinamom; All

We ALL need to call OUR senators and tell them that this "Compromise Committee" is denying THEM their constitutionally granted rights -- a vote on the floor to advise and consent to the president's nominees.


842 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:05 AM PDT by Howlin (No Judge "LEFT BEHIND!" - No Deal!!!)
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To: AFPhys
The Constitution, as ratified in 1787, enshrined that a simple majority vote of the Senate was required for advise and consent of presidential appointments, including judicial.

But what lugs is saying is that the Constitution does not STATE that. Does it? I couldn't find it. It does specifically say that Treaties need a 2/3 majority, but no specification on Judicial nominees.

If fact, the way that I read Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, the Congress appoints Judges to lower courts, not the President.
843 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:18 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: Bahbah
Lott is doing a great job.

Yes, I liked it!

I liked his having having the Portraits there!

844 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: MamaLucci

He sounded firm to me! Lott is not going to buck the party on this!


845 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:31 AM PDT by defconw
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To: Txsleuth

One of my fine Senators. It looks like he is able to get by without the sling today.


846 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:43 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Sacajaweau
OK Corral....Noon!!!

....and DON'T bring a butter knife!

847 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:47 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: BibChr

Well, I knew that; in fact, I only trust Freepers now.....LOL. At least I know when I'm wrong, one of you will come along and smack me with the unvarnished truth!


848 posted on 05/19/2005 9:55:54 AM PDT by Howlin (No Judge "LEFT BEHIND!" - No Deal!!!)
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To: Howlin

Kit Bond is up now

I need to head out .. my youngest is acting up

If anything big happens .. please ping me?

Thanks


849 posted on 05/19/2005 9:56:03 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: MamaLucci

Or the Rule Book!


850 posted on 05/19/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by Howlin (No Judge "LEFT BEHIND!" - No Deal!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sen Kit Bond from Missouri is up....continuing the theme that the DemonicRats are trying to introduce a NEW RULE!!!!!


851 posted on 05/19/2005 9:57:01 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: ken5050

Bill Richardson. Swing state, tax cutter, secure borders issue...


852 posted on 05/19/2005 9:57:05 AM PDT by HRoarke ("There cannot be an absence of moral content in American foreign policy,..We are not Europe")
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To: defconw

That's because he already got the snot knocked out of HIM when he tried it a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=lott


853 posted on 05/19/2005 9:57:07 AM PDT by Howlin (No Judge "LEFT BEHIND!" - No Deal!!!)
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To: Txsleuth

RE: FNC and The "Deal" Just keeping viewers.

It won't happen. RINOS have too much to lose.


854 posted on 05/19/2005 9:57:32 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Cboldt
The GOP leadership is unwavering on this matter of principle. THey figured out what has been obvious to many of us, here, for years. And now they are carrying it out in such a way that the result will be durable.

I certainly hope you are correct.
Let's not pretend we haven't all been disappointed in the recent past....

855 posted on 05/19/2005 9:58:19 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Howlin
Disingenuous much?

The Senate sets their own rules - according to the Constitution. They have established procedures for changing the rules. The GOP doesn't have the votes to do that, so all this "unconstitutional" crap is floating to the top.

856 posted on 05/19/2005 9:58:23 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: AFPhys

I do not agree with your definition of "constitutional".

The constitution says that the Senate shall give advise and consent. It doesn't define a supermajority, so a majority of the senate can represent the senate.

But beyond that, how the majority decides to represent itself is entirely up to the senate. If a majority of the Senate decides that any one senator can lead to the senate denying its consent, the majority has the right. IF the majority wants to, out of fairness, allow 40 senators to prevent consent, that is fine.

If the majority of the senate wants to make the determination of a committee the end of the matter, they can.

What is important in all of these cases is that it must be a MAJORITY of the senate which decides what the rules are for nomination confirmation, NOT 2/3rds, not 60, but a majority.

Now, at the beginning of a session, the majority may decide to bind itself for the term of the session, so a majority may vote to require a 2/3 vote to change the rules later.

But unless they do so, a majority can set the rule for anything.

At the start of THIS senate, the majority and minority, by unanimous consent, agreed to keep the rules of the previous session for THIS session.

EXCEPT THAT there was no agreement on the filibuster rule, so that rule has NOT yet been agreed to by the majority.

Therefore, the majority has the right any time it wants to decide that the rule does not apply, and further could at any time by majority vote make a rule that would apply.

Having a 60-vote rule to end debate if a majority allows it is not different from a majority taking a "sense" vote, and finding 40 people who want to still talk, deciding by majority vote to keep talking.

The key is that, in situations where the senate is given specific instructions to ACT upon the initiation of another body (in this case the executive) the appropriate number of the senate, as defined by the constitution, must have the power to control what happens.


857 posted on 05/19/2005 9:59:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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To: Mo1

The following twelve members of the United Senate are working behind the scenes to literally forge a compromise of the Constitution:

Senator John McCain (AZ) Senator Chuck Hagel (NE) Senator Ben Nelson (NE) Senator Bill Nelson (FL) Senator Arlen Specter (PA) Senator Susan Collins (ME) Senator Olympia Snowe (ME) Senator George Voinovich (OH) Senator Mike DeWine (OH) Senator Gordon Smith (OR) Senator John Warner (VA) Senator Lindsey Graham (SC) These men and women all took an oath to “uphold the Constitution of the United States.” Now they are violating that oath as they work to compromise the Constitution of the United States by supporting the unconstitutional “right” Senators Reid and Clinton claim they have to filibuster President Bush’s judicial nominees.


858 posted on 05/19/2005 9:59:34 AM PDT by Howlin (No Judge "LEFT BEHIND!" - No Deal!!!)
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To: Howlin
Or the Rule Book!

ROFL!........well, not really...

859 posted on 05/19/2005 9:59:44 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Kerretarded
If fact, the way that I read Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, the Congress appoints Judges to lower courts, not the President.

Better reread that. Congress can, by statute, have the president appoint without Senate oversight.

860 posted on 05/19/2005 9:59:51 AM PDT by Cboldt
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